Challenge Thread: Have you ever been wrong about science before?

Hans Blaster · Jun 27, 2021

At first I thought this was a different thread, somehow edited...

I don't know. I'd have to go over my published work and see if I've ever been wrong in the one place it counted -- in print.

Lost4words · Jun 27, 2021

Yes as i am slowly realising that the earth could very well be young.

Hans Blaster · Jun 27, 2021

Lost4words said:
Yes as i am slowly realising that the earth could very well be young.

Sure, in the way the high schoolers are young compared to me. In both cases the "old ones" are a few times older than the "young ones".

dlamberth · Jun 27, 2021

Lost4words said:
Yes as i am slowly realising that the earth could very well be young.

It's the geology that tells me that we live on a very old Earth. With it's hundreds of basalt flows, one on top of another that takes million of years to form, with the time it takes for a mountain range that grew right down the center of Oregon and than all but completely eroded away leaving only the roots of volcanoes and than with another mountain range, the Cascades, rising again further west, and than we have the Yellowstone Hot Spot starting in Oregon as it burned it's way through Idaho on it's journey to Wyoming. All of that takes time...a long time. And there's similar examples all over the Earth.

Lost4words · Jun 27, 2021

dlamberth said:
It's the geology that tells me that we live on a very old Earth. With it's hundreds of basalt flows, one on top of another that takes million of years to form, with the time it takes for a mountain range that grew right down the center of Oregon and than all but completely eroded away leaving only the roots of volcanoes and than with another mountain range, the Cascades, rising again further west, and than we have the Yellowstone Hot Spot starting in Oregon as it burned it's way through Idaho on it's journey to Wyoming. All of that takes time...a long time. And there's similar examples all over the Earth.

See my thread here:

Is Genesis history?

Some fascinating videos i posted in it

Hans Blaster · Jun 27, 2021

Lost4words said:
See my thread here:

(Which some of us couldn't participate in. Ergo, it's useless to us.)

Lost4words said:
Is Genesis history?

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/is-genesis-history.8213320

No.

Lost4words said:
Some fascinating videos i posted in it

Not really.

Lost4words · Jun 27, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
(Which some of us couldn't participate in. Ergo, it's useless to us.)

No.

Not really.

My post wasnt directed at you my friend.

dlamberth · Jun 27, 2021

Lost4words said:
See my thread here:

Is Genesis history?

Some fascinating videos i posted in it

I'm wondering how they explain the hundreds of Basalt flows in Eastern Oregon as happening in a short time. Some of those flows ran for over 300 miles. Here's a picture to give a sense of what I'm talking about.

Or the Yellow Stone Hot spot that first popped up in Southern Oregon. It's one of the features that geologist used to understand the movement of the North American plate over time.

jayem · Jun 28, 2021

I've been misled by science. I was on an ER rotation early in my medical training. A man came in complaining that his ulcer was acting up. He said when that happens his personal doctor always gives him a double shot of penicillin. Which fixes him right up. I thought he was nuts. According to medical science, ulcers were caused by a combination of excess acid production and a defect in the mucosal barrier which protects the stomach lining. No one treats an ulcer with antibiotics. I wrote him a script for Tagamet (which had just come out) and told him to follow up with his doctor. He wasn't very satisfied. Of course, it was later discovered that infection with a bacterium, Helicobacter pylori, causes 80-90% of all ulcers. And antibiotics are necessary. (Although injectible Pen VK is not the preferred treatment.) So yeah, you can go wrong following science. But it was also science that eventually found the correct answer. And that's what makes good science superior to other epistemic endeavors. Good science admits when it's wrong, and corrects itself.

durangodawood · Jun 28, 2021

AV1611VET said:
There's another way to go wrong with science too: by using it to produce products that God disapproves of.

Such as tobacco, LSD, alcohol, and the like.

God made tobacco and alcohol. If you believe in creation, that is.

With alcohol, its literally in the Bible.

durangodawood · Jun 28, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Have you ever been wrong about science before?

You don't need to elaborate.

No.

Let me elaborate: I always thought science was the cumulative application of observation and reason to our understanding of the natural world, allowing for speculation subject to future observations. If that ever changes, then I'll have been wrong about science.

Ophiolite · Jun 28, 2021

Lost4words said:
My post wasnt directed at you my friend.

Then perhaps you should have sent the message by pm my friend. (Or even better, recognised that in a discussion forum all participants and lurkers are recipients of the message, my fellow member.)

d taylor · Jun 28, 2021

d taylor said:
I vote yes
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I did not realize there was, that much deception in science as it is (concerning God's creation). I thought it was only around evolution but i see now it is much more complex and wider than just evolution.

One of my earlier post on this thread i made the above post. I am adding to this post but just in a new post/comment.

That the deception is much more complex and wider than just evolution. And that this deception has been in the works much longer, than when the debate between evolution and creation arose and became a popular subject Between many believers God/The Bible and science/scientist.

AV1611VET · Jun 28, 2021

durangodawood said:
God made tobacco and alcohol.

Is that how you justify it?

God made arsenic too, didn't He?

Confused-by-christianity · Jun 28, 2021

Yttrium said:
Humans are the only animals that are self-aware, right? Wrong! Dolphins are self-aware. So are chimps. Even some birds are self-aware. And some others.

I'm sure I perceived my nan's dog being self aware??!! And thinking to myself "Holy Buckets - That dog is aware of itself!!!"

I told my nan, she wasn't bothered. I moved on - I always remember some dogs are self aware (some of the time - I think the dog was going in and out of self awareness).

Oddly, I cannot remember what it did that alerted me and made me think it's self aware.

durangodawood · Jun 28, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Is that how you justify it?

God made arsenic too, didn't He?

I do think Jesus himself making wine for people justifies alcohol to Christians.

As for tobacco, its just a natural botanical, and so created - if you believe in creation.

Confused-by-christianity · Jun 28, 2021

I voted yes.

I thought if science explained something - it was true. This was when I was a child reading textbooks.

I thought whatever went into books (especially textbooks) was fact. Now I see knowledge as an unfinished work in progress.

Confused-by-christianity · Jun 28, 2021

Ophiolite said:
I don't understand the question. Does it mean one of the following?

I'll answer this one too, just for the fun of it...

Ophiolite said:
Have I ever misunderstood a scientific concept?

Loads of times. Not only have I misunderstood it, I've mistakenly thought I possessed the best understanding in the room of the concept. I've also blabbed my mouth off to the entire room stating how much I knew.

Ophiolite said:
Have I ever thought science said one thing when it actually said another?

I'm not that far ahead yet. I'm currently at the stage where: I have realised I don't know what the science says all that well at all. If I had to try to explain some of the theories properly - I'd do poorly. e.g. Big Bang Theory: A large expansion of our universe. Evolution: Mutations in DNA which change a lifeform. Over years and years - beneficial mutations are kept and nonbeneficial ones kill the lifeform. The mutations make new animals and new species. (Marks out of 10 for those explanations - 0.5... and thats for effort!!)

Ophiolite said:
Have I ever held a view that was contrary to the scientific one?

I'd be satisfied if I knew that the view I held was contrary to the scientific one haha

Ophiolite said:
Have I ever incorrectly the ability of science to provide a specific answer?

I could be incorrect about the following. Seems to me the scientific method uses a lot of obervation and making sense of that which is observed. There might be room to make errors here - by misinterpreting what you see. I have serious reservations with how people frame / interpret the world around them / reality.

Confused-by-christianity · Jun 28, 2021

Shemjaza said:
I used to believe that the seasons were created by how close the Sun was at that time of year... which is particularly silly for someone living in the Southern Hemisphere.

That's what I thought until I just read your post haha. I thought the earth was a little tilted so one side was getting more sun than the other hahaha

Ophiolite · Jun 28, 2021

Confused-by-christianity said:
That's what I thought until I just read your post haha. I thought the earth was a little tilted so one side was getting more sun than the other hahaha

Which is correct, but that means the other side is getting less. More = Summer, Less = Winter.

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