Challenge for YECs: What are the roles of population and species in evolution?

[AV1611VET]

actually all biological data fit with creation as well and a lot more then with evolution.

With creationism, there are no seams.

With evolution, there are a jillion seams, called "missing links."

Also, acarons move the decimal point to the right as needed to change shallow time to deep time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, everyone’s got their shot in. Time to move on and get back on topic.

I don't understand what the OP is asking.

 

[Hammster]

I don't understand what the OP is asking.

Not my concern. I’m only concerned about the potshots some are taking at each other.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not my concern. I’m only concerned about the potshots some are taking at each other.

Okay.

 

[pitabread]

actually all biological data fit with creation as well and a lot more then with evolution.

Except there's no consistency with respect to what creationists seem to believe with respect to creation. And certainly no coherent "theory of creation".

Although I suppose things will fit a lot better when you're starting with an empty box.

 

[xianghua]

Except there's no consistency with respect to what creationists seem to believe with respect to creation. And certainly no coherent "theory of creation".

Although I suppose things will fit a lot better when you're starting with an empty box.

when i said creation i meant any kind of creation without evolution. the evidence we have fit well with creation better then evolution.

 

[pitabread]

when i said creation i meant any kind of creation without evolution. the evidence we have fit well with creation better then evolution.

In order for the evidence to fit, you first need a coherent theory of creation for it to fit into. As you don't have that, there is nowhere for such evidence to fit.

 

[xianghua]

In order for the evidence to fit, you first need a coherent theory of creation for it to fit into. As you don't have that, there is nowhere for such evidence to fit.

no. all we need to know according to the design model is that creatures were not evolved from each other. unlike evolution.

 

[pitabread]

no. all we nened to know according to the design model is that creatures were not evolved from each other. unlike evolution.

Nope, that's not how it works. Design is not the null hypothesis for biological evolution.

This is a mistake a lot of creationists and/or ID proponents make.

If you want to have evidence fit "creation", you first need a working theory or model of that creation. If you don't have that then there is nothing for the evidence to fit to.

 

[xianghua]

Nope, that's not how it works. Design is not the null hypothesis for biological evolution.

are you saying that we have other options?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

are you saying that we have other options?

Yes, "I don't know" is the default. If Evolution turns out to be bunk ( lol!) then we all go back to "I don't know" and start looking for another working model from there.

If you want to have some other random & unsupported ideas then:

• Magic Beings that secretly live amongst us
• an undirected non-intelligent Magic Force (like "the Force" in Star Wars)
  
• Interdimensional Alien DNA Curators that cannot be detected (Illuminati's Lizard Overlords perhaps??)
  
• Invisible Unicorns (could fall under Magic Beings above though...)
• etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Evolution turns out to be bunk ( lol!) then we all go back to "I don't know" and start looking for another working model from there.

Science goes 404 when it comes to creationism.

There's nothing on file.

GOD DID IT = 404 to them.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Science goes 404 when it comes to creationism.

There's nothing on file.

GOD DID IT = 404 to them.

Which God? How do you know?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which God?

It doesn't matter, does it?

Science will go 404.

Science is myopic.

And for the record, why is an ... um ... educated person asking a Christian: WHICH GOD?

Were you trying to make a point with a question mark?

If so, it backfired.

Science will go 404, no matter which god.

 

[Speedwell]

Science goes 404 when it comes to creationism.

There's nothing on file.

GOD DID IT = 404 to them.

And I want to go 410 when I read creationists' posts.

 

[AV1611VET]

And I want to go 410 when I read creationists' posts.

Sorry ... science can go just so far with blinders.

 

[xianghua]

Yes, "I don't know" is the default. If Evolution turns out to be bunk ( lol!) then we all go back to "I don't know" and start looking for another working model from there.

If you want to have some other random & unsupported ideas then:

• Magic Beings that secretly live amongst us
• an undirected non-intelligent Magic Force (like "the Force" in Star Wars)
  
• Interdimensional Alien DNA Curators that cannot be detected (Illuminati's Lizard Overlords perhaps??)
  
• Invisible Unicorns (could fall under Magic Beings above though...)
• etc.

no. you still remain with a design at once (alien, unicorn etc). so we have design at once or s tepwise evolution.

 

[Speedwell]

are you saying that we have other options?

You don't. You say, "creation" but you can't tell us when it came about, how it came about or who did it.

 

[Waggles]

And now come the insults. You're a real testament to your faith.

Actually the insults, mocking and condemnation do not
come from me.
There is one who scorns you without mercy:

1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

10:21 The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.

14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceive not in him the
lips of knowledge.

19:29 Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.
Proverbs:

 

[Jcreigns]

Sfs ive actually been studying it off and on for 10 years