Challenge: Explain the fossil record without evolution

[Loudmouth]

You know the clam will sink.
It's a freakin' clam.

We know that shed shark teeth will just sink to the bottom, yet we don't find shed shark teeth in the earliest sediments. We only start seeing shed shark teeth when we start seeing the fossils of sharks. How is a flood able to sort shed shark teeth and shark fossils so that they end up in the same sediments.

We know that pollen from flowering plants and grasses gets everywhere, yet we don't find those pollens throughout the fossil record. We only see them appear when the plants appear. How is a flood able to sort pollen so that it ends up in the same sediments as the plants it belongs to?

And more to the point, how is a flood supposed to sort the igneous rocks by their isotope content so that we never find a fossil above rocks that have a K/Ar ratio consistent with 65 million years of decay? How do you guys explain the correlation between rock isotope ratios and fossil species?

 

[RickG]

No, you're wrong.....it wasn't a small stream that gourged out the canyon but rather an entire lake.
Secondly, the Colorado rive is considered as underfit and couldn't have carved out the Grand canyon.

Being that explanations are to describe the fossil record without evolution, would you please provide the science backing the claim that the Colorado river is an underlift. And just out of curiosity, what is an underlift?

 

[RickG]

You know the clam will sink.
It's a freakin' clam.

Clams are already on the bottom.

 

[-57]

Trilobites are found below coelacanths which are found below basilosaurus'.
The basilosaurus was magnitudes heavier than coelacanths which were magnitudes heavier than trilobites.

Do you think that is the only way the fossils were sorted?

 

[-57]

Clams are already on the bottom.

Now you're catching on....Good for you!!

 

[RickG]

Do you think that is the only way the fossils were sorted?

That is what the thread is about. Explain the fossil record without evolution. How did they get where they are without evolution?

 

[-57]

Lakes don't form incised gooseneck meanders, and lakes don't carve canyons. In case you have never seen one, they tend to just sit there.



Sudden floods don't create a single meandering channel. They create braided and parallel channels.

I never said they did....learn the model. The lake was leaking and formed the meanders in the somewhat plastic flood deposits. Got it?

Later the entire lake drained following the already existing meanders.

 

[-57]

That is what the thread is about. Explain the fossil record without evolution. How did they get where they are without evolution?

Other parts of the flood model suggest that semi-aquatic animals would drown sooner than the land animals....which would cause them to be buried in lower strata. You call it evolution....semi-aquatic to land animals....I simply call it common sense.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you think that is the only way the fossils were sorted?

Do you any evidence to show that that is wrong?

 

[RickG]

Other parts of the flood model suggest that semi-aquatic animals would drown sooner than the land animals....which would cause them to be buried in lower strata. You call it evolution....semi-aquatic to land animals....I simply call it common sense.

Where is your supporting scientific evidence? Why are none of layers of sediment in the grand canyon indicative of flood deposits?

 

[-57]

Your bias and ignorance of the sediment is showing.

 

[RickG]

Your bias and ignorance of the sediment is showing.

57, you need to show the scientific evidence supporting your position. That is what the thread is about.

 

[The Barbarian]

No, you're wrong.....it wasn't a small stream that gourged out the canyon but rather an entire lake.

We know what the sudden release of a large lake does.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/scab-nf.html

it does not make a deep, narrow gorge.

Secondly, the Colorado rive is considered as underfit

It is a "rejuvenated river", caused by uplift:
In geomorphology a river is said to be rejuvenated when the base level that it is flowing down to is lowered.
Wikipedia

An older, meandering river, when it is uplifted, becomes trapped in its banks, and can only cut deeper and deeper into the channel. This is the reason for the entrenched meanders.

[quote[and couldn't have carved out the Grand canyon.[/QUOTE]

You've been misled. This is the way it always works with such rivers.

This:

Is what a massive flood from a draining lake does. Satellite picture of the Washington scablands. Note the braided channels.

 

[The Barbarian]

I never said they did....learn the model. The lake was leaking and formed the meanders in the somewhat plastic flood deposits. Got it?

Explain to us how "somewhat plastic" deposits formed vertical cliffs, hundreds of meters high. No one seems to be able to do that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sudden floods don't create a single meandering channel. They create braided and parallel channels.

Unless they were created when the waters abated along a preset path.

Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Their serpentine courses being a testament to you-know-who.

 

[-57]

We know what the sudden release of a large lake does.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/scab-nf.html

it does not make a deep, narrow gorge.



It is a "rejuvenated river", caused by uplift:
In geomorphology a river is said to be rejuvenated when the base level that it is flowing down to is lowered.
Wikipedia

An older, meandering river, when it is uplifted, becomes trapped in its banks, and can only cut deeper and deeper into the channel. This is the reason for the entrenched meanders.

[quote[and couldn't have carved out the Grand canyon.

You've been misled. This is the way it always works with such rivers.

This:

Is what a massive flood from a draining lake does. Satellite picture of the Washington scablands. Note the braided channels.[/QUOTE]

You do know it depends how the lake drains.

 

[-57]

Explain to us how "somewhat plastic" deposits formed vertical cliffs, hundreds of meters high. No one seems to be able to do that.

I do believe the walls show some sapping.

 

[-57]

57, you need to show the scientific evidence supporting your position. That is what the thread is about.

I kinda think I presented common sense to you...long time deposit rate..fossils for the most part fail to get, you know, covered up. Secondly, the chalk is pretty pure. All those years of depositing...and the chalk is that pure? That
s some pretty special chalk your pushing.

 

[The Barbarian]

Unless they were created when the waters abated along a preset path.

If you're going to throw up an unscriptural miracle to save your story whenever it hits a problem, why not just admit that you're going to go with your new beliefs regardless of the facts?

 

[AV1611VET]

... why not just admit that you're going to go with your new beliefs regardless of the facts?

How about I just admit I am going to go with my beliefs, and facts can take a hike?