Challenge: Explain the fossil record without evolution

[Reasoning]

You want models with explanatory power?
Wendy & Anita Jane
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Please it would be an insult to the word if you would call either these people explanatory. "show me the evidence, show me the evidence"

 

[Reasoning]

The conclusion of this thread is by the way, that the fossil record cannot be explained without evolution. You are all welcome

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's about relative weight.

So then answer this: how is a several tonne pseudo-whale found higher up than in the geological strata an a couple kilogram prehistoric fish?

 

[AV1611VET]

Please it would be an insult to the word if you would call either these people explanatory.

Then get a better dictionary.

 

[Reasoning]

Then get a better dictionary.

All I've seen these people say on camera are dumb, ignorant and completely close minded statements. They should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[AV1611VET]

The conclusion of this thread is by the way, that the fossil record cannot be explained without evolution.

Only because the One who gave us that record isn't allowed to testify here.

Shut God out, allow James Hutton in.

 

[Hieronymus]

Let's even entertain the pretty childish notion that "heavy creatures will be below lighter creatures"...

They'ld still be trapped in the same sedimentary layer.

Not necessarily.
Imagine a big mess of mud and animals splashing around and the earth's crust cracking and slabs drifting and what not.
You wouldn't expect stratification perhaps, but it still happens.
This is of course a disaster scenario.
There's many factors we can't be sure about, we only have a flood 'legend' to give some hints perhaps.
How long did it take?
Did freshly formed strata get messed up in the same timespan?
Looks like it, and if a huge cataclism is your model it can be accounted for.

But i'm overstretching my knowledge here.
This is just one of the subjects i have had to study to come to some kind of conclusion.
So maybe it's wise for me to take a step back, because i can not reproduce what i have learnt.
Information overload, i guess...

 

[AV1611VET]

All I've seen these people say on camera are dumb, ignorant and completely close minded statements. They should be ashamed of themselves.

The word of God out.

The voice of reason in.

Is that it?

 

[Hieronymus]

----------never mind-------------

 

[Reasoning]

That's rather rich coming from you, i'm sorry to say...
You should realise both parties tend to do this, it's human behaviour.

That doesn't make it any more right. The interview with Richard Dawkins and Wendy Wright for example. There she is so incredible plain wrong and ignorant that I can hardly believe anyone thinks she's awesome. I would hardly consider myself close minded, but 'being open minded is great, but not so open that your brains fall out'.

Only because the One who gave us that record isn't allowed to testify here.
Shut God out, allow James Hutton in.

Well I invite God to come and join the converstion and explain it all to us now! If he is almighty, he should not have any issue plugging his computer in one of our satellites and make an account here.

The word of God out.
The voice of reason in.
Is that it?

No it's just plain wrong and ignorant.

 

[Hieronymus]

So then answer this: how is a several tonne pseudo-whale found higher up than in the geological strata an a couple kilogram prehistoric fish?

Relative weight, is the ratio of mass and volume.

 

[Reasoning]

Not necessarily.
Imagine a big mess of mud and animals splashing around and the earth's crust cracking and slabs drifting and what not.
You wouldn't expect stratification perhaps, but it still happens.
This is of course a disaster scenario.
There's many factors we can't be sure about, we only have a flood 'legend' to give some hints perhaps.
How long did it take?
Did freshly formed strata get messed up in the same timespan?
Looks like it, and if a huge cataclism is your model it can be accounted for.

But i'm overstretching my knowledge here.
This is just one of the subjects i have had to study to come to some kind of conclusion.
So maybe it's wise for me to take a step back, because i can not reproduce what i have learnt.
Information overload, i guess...

No it does not look like that at all. There has never been found a single fossil in the wrong place, if that would happen evolution would instantly be disproved. Even with magical floods, it is impossible that ALL species die in the same way, we would at least find some fossils scattered around in the wrong place for evolution. But we haven't, never, in the past 150 years.

 

[Hieronymus]

Relative weight, is the ratio of mass and volume.

Like a huge pillow is relatively lighter than a grain of lead.

 

[Hieronymus]

No it does not look like that at all.

That highly depends on where you look.

 

[Reasoning]

That highly depends on where you look.

Ok so tell me, where would I have to look except for everywhere in the sedimentary layers and in all fossil records on earth?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Relative weight, is the ratio of mass and volume.

Not an answer to the question, so I'll repeat (although with a slight edit since I got my own question wrong first time) : why is a several tonne pseudo-whale found higher up than in the geological strata an a couple kilogram prehistoric fish?

 

[Michael]

The conclusion of this thread is by the way, that the fossil record cannot be explained without evolution. You are all welcome

Thanks for the recap.

 

[RickG]

Not necessarily.
Imagine a big mess of mud and animals splashing around and the earth's crust cracking and slabs drifting and what not.
You wouldn't expect stratification perhaps, but it still happens.
This is of course a disaster scenario.
There's many factors we can't be sure about, we only have a flood 'legend' to give some hints perhaps.
How long did it take?
Did freshly formed strata get messed up in the same timespan?
Looks like it, and if a huge cataclism is your model it can be accounted for.

Question. Where is this strata located?

 

[Loudmouth]

It's about relative weight.

Where did you show that fossils are sorted by density?

What is the density of a bird compared to that of a bison? In what order would you expect to see them in?

What is the density of a fern compared to that of a hominid? In what order would you expect to see them in?

 

[Astrophile]

If that's the case, why is there no even spread of animals throughout all strata?
Why don't we find rabbits in pre-cambrian strata?
Why don't we find humans next to dino's?
Etc?

In other words, why does the fossil record show a progression of species through strata instead of a relatively random mix?

Why don't we find lobsters next to trilobites, or arthrodires next to herrings?