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Challenge: Explain the fossil record without evolution

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The meanders in the Grand Canyon were originally formed as the water slowly made them. Once the template was made.....the water from the Hopi and Grand lakes created as the flood waters receded....spilled through their damns and the following the template gourged out the meanders to their current depth.
 
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So why does the Late Cretaceous bird Ichthyornis occur lower than the Clupeidae (the herring family), which is Early Eocene to Recent?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyornis and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clupeidae

Also to be explained would be why fossils of the Ichthyornis are found in chalk formations and not mud as suggested. That is the main reason that disqualifies a flood as an explanation for the distribution of the geologic fossil record. What is ignored is composition of the strata and processes in which they are deposited.
 
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Unless the chalk was deposited quickly.....you would not have Ichthyornis fossils. Then again you already knew that.
 
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Go find a lake....throw in a dead clam and a dead cat...and a dead snake. What order will they settle to the bottom in?

Trilobites are found below coelacanths which are found below basilosaurus'.
The basilosaurus was magnitudes heavier than coelacanths which were magnitudes heavier than trilobites.
 
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Go find a lake....throw in a dead clam and a dead cat...and a dead snake. What order will they settle to the bottom in?
I can't try the experiment, not having any dead animals to hand. However, the oldest known fossil snakes are Jurassic, the oldest known fossil felid (Proailurus) is Late Oligocene or Early Miocene, and the fossil gastropod Murexsul hexagonus is Early Pleistocene. Does that help?

By the way, you haven't answered my question about the Late Cretaceous bird Ichthyornis and the herring family.
 
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The formation of your fossil disagrees. Why do you fight the obvious?

In the OP you are asked to present to present science to support your suggestions. Chalk is a form of limestone which forms in marine accumulation of mostly microscopic coccoliths. If all of the carbonate lifeforms in the ocean that contribute to the formation of chalk were to suddenly die and deposit their (remains) microscopic shells on the ocean floor, it would amount to less of a millimeter in thickness.

http://pygs.lyellcollection.org/content/49/3/235.short
http://pygs.lyellcollection.org/content/51/1/45.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031018289900205
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001678780880106X
 
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Go find a lake....throw in a dead clam and a dead cat...and a dead snake. What order will they settle to the bottom in?

They would all float, even dead fish float because of gases produced during decomposition.
 
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No, that won't work. This kind of thing never happens that way. There's no way a sudden rush of water would do it. You're supposing that in less than a year, water confined to a small stream, would cut down hundreds of meters into solid rock. Even if it could, the mechanics of stream bed formation would have cut though the meanders to make a straighter bed. The meanders formed because an old river was uplifted, which trapped the river in its bed, after which it cut down through the rock over many thousands of years.
 
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It is impossible to explain the fossil record using natural science if the animals did not die by natural causes.

All we can do is speculate.
 
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Unless the chalk was deposited quickly.....you would not have Ichthyornis fossils. Then again you already knew that.

Using Stokes Law, which determines the velocity at which a particle will settle out of the water and be deposited on the bottom of a fluvial system, a particle of that size would sink to the bottom when the water velocity goes below 1.5 centimeters per second, or 1/30th of a mile per hour.2 Please note the Flood model flow rate is at a minimum 89 miles per hour in the cyclonic gyres. The current for the open ocean away from these gyres is not given. However, it would be difficult to imagine the current dropping below this threshold in the open ocean, therefore these particles would never fall out of the ocean currents, and would dissolve as they were carried along. Again, the Flood model would yield NO chalk beds at all.

http://www.oldearth.org/nochalk.htm
 
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No, you're wrong.....it wasn't a small stream that gourged out the canyon but rather an entire lake.
Secondly, the Colorado rive is considered as underfit and couldn't have carved out the Grand canyon.
 
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No, you're wrong.....it wasn't a small stream that gourged out the canyon but rather an entire lake.

Lakes don't form incised gooseneck meanders, and lakes don't carve canyons. In case you have never seen one, they tend to just sit there.

Secondly, the Colorado rive is considered as underfit and couldn't have carved out the Grand canyon.

Sudden floods don't create a single meandering channel. They create braided and parallel channels.
 
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