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did you not say Luther and Calvin were cessationist? I don't regard their opinions to be infallible but I also do not call them cessationist.
Luther and Calvin made no claims to be endowed with supernatural revelatory gifts. Had they done so they would not have advanced the idea of sola scriptura. If they had claimed revelatory gifts they could have argued that they spoke for God on the issues they disputed against Catholicism and they would have had signs, wonders, and miracles as proofs but they did not. The reformers claimed that they had no need of miracles to support their teaching because they claimed that the miracles of the apostles and prophets of the new testament were all they needed as proofs for their teachings because they reasoned that what they taught was apostolic and biblical so the signs, wonders, and miracles of the apostles was proof enough. It was Catholic debaters who demanded miracles from the reformers as proofs because Catholics regarded the reformers' doctrines as new. Catholics demanded signs and wonders as proofs for what the they saw as Luther's new and novel doctrines.
But todays apostles and prophets rely on new miracles as proofs for their doctrines because they do not, in practise, teach sola scriptura. Some of today's apostles and prophets teach things like "oneness" because of new words from the Lord. Adventists teach their distinctive doctrines because of a prophetess' visions.
Refute oneness and Adventism if you can by arguing from the bible but you won't convince people who accept the apostles and prophets of these new revelations. Say that Adventists and Oneness teachers are rejecting sola scriptura and you won't convince them because they say that they believe sola scriptura and you're rejecting continuationism. Every argument you advance to prove continuationism is already used to prove oneness and adventism. Every time you try to correct oneness teaching you're forced to demand proofs that oneness is credible and biblical while in reply oneness teachers will point to the bible and their apostles' interpretations as proof that you're ideas are all wrong. Adventists will do the same. Catholics will also do the same by asking what signs, wonders, and miracles you have to prove your doctrines are true. Catholics will argue that you've got it all wrong because you have no apostolic successors to rightly interpret the scriptures while they do have apostolic successors who have a plethora of signs, wonders, and miracles to back up their interpretation of the scriptures and Apostolic Tradition.
You're wrong about what cessationists say has stopped; their view is that all extraordinary revelatory gifts have ceased because no new revelations are given, everything necessary for salvation and right living is already revealed in the scriptures. Let today's apostles and prophets offer the signs, wonders, and miracles of an apostle to establish their credentials from God. They are the ones making grandiose claims so they are the ones who have something to prove.cessationist view is that specific gifts have stopped, I'm looking for scripture support for them stopping. apostle/prophets can be further challenged in scripture but what about tongues? Where is the scriptural support to reject tongues?
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