Cessationist and Sola Scriptura don't mix

[W2L]

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If those things bother you soooooo much why don't you find out the answer, seek God until He moves, it seems as though God has laid it on your heart to find the answers to all of those questions, instead of just complaining,
"where are all the gifts in the church today?"
"We have tongues without interpreters, we have children in hospitals but no one heals them, there are children born with all sorts of deformities but no healing."

If all you do is point fingers and complain, then your not seeking an answer.

Seeking an answer means more than just asking the questions.

Really? Thats your argument? Im complaining? lol

Lets get back to reality here. All im doing is making observations and discussing this topic. Your post is inappropriate.

 

[JIMINZ]

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[ToBeLoved]

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If those things bother you soooooo much why don't you find out the answer, seek God until He moves, it seems as though God has laid it on your heart to find the answers to all of those questions, instead of just complaining,
"where are all the gifts in the church today?"
"We have tongues without interpreters, we have children in hospitals but no one heals them, there are children born with all sorts of deformities but no healing."

If all you do is point fingers and complain, then your not seeking an answer.

Seeking an answer means more than just asking the questions.

Maybe his question is so you think about the answer.

Your statements have to make sense in light of sceipture.

 

[JIMINZ]

Really? Thats your argument? Im complaining? lol

Lets get back to reality here. All im doing is making observations and discussing this topic. Your post is inappropriate.

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If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem.

If you say that The Gifts are not for today, and don't seek out an answer as to why, then forget it all.

 

[W2L]

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If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem.

If you say that The Gifts are not for today, and don't seek out an answer as to why, then forget it all.

You didnt answer my question, you avoided it.

 

[JIMINZ]

All im doing is making observations and discussing this topic.

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That's my point, you can call them observations, I call them just complaining, 6 of 1 - - 1/2 of 12.

If you don't, can't or won't see it, what else is there to say.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem.

If you say that The Gifts are not for today, and don't seek out an answer as to why, then forget it all.

Biblically though you do not support your position.

Your position is if you don’t believe the same thing I believe you are wrong

Biblically that is not theology. Sola Scriptura is the Bible in agreement with ones beliefs. The Bible IS the authority. All of it.

So why did Jesus pray everyday? Could Jesus without prayer perform miracles being that He was God?

 

[JIMINZ]

I don’t think it was God’s perfect will that Lucifer rebelled or the other angels.

God is in control and His will will come to pass. But I don’t think fallen created beings are part of His perfect will. I think He gives us room to make mistakes.

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Your just comparing apples (Humans) and Oranges (ANGELS), and saying there the same.



God is in control, but He didn't foresee Satan's Rebellion.....Really?

Wouldn't God know the minute He Created the Angels, that Satan would Rebel?

Did God also not know Adam would Fall as well?

Where does it say God has a PERFECT WILL as opposed to Gods' Will?

 

[ToBeLoved]

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Your just comparing apples (Humans) and Oranges (ANGELS), and saying there the same.



God is in control, but He didn't foresee Satan's Rebellion.....Really?

Wouldn't God know the minute He Created the Angels, that Satan would Rebel?

Did God also not know Adam would Fall as well?

Where does it say God has a PERFECT WILL as opposed to Gods' Will?

You really need to read people’s posts.

I said the rebellion of created beings i do not believe is God’s perfect will.

Perfect will would mean sin and separation from God please God.

God created Adam and Eve (humans) in perfect relationship with Him.

God created angelic beings in perfect relationship with Him.

Given this fact, that they were created this way, this shows that before they used their free will in rebellion, God wanted creation in relationship with Him.

It is only through rebellion and free will that this changed.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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Your just comparing apples (Humans) and Oranges (ANGELS), and saying there the same.



God is in control, but He didn't foresee Satan's Rebellion.....Really?

Wouldn't God know the minute He Created the Angels, that Satan would Rebel?

Did God also not know Adam would Fall as well?

Where does it say God has a PERFECT WILL as opposed to Gods' Will?

God knows everything.

But God still created them with free will.

So free will is obviously very important to God because He knew some would rebell. The point is that obviously God wanted His creation to choose Him.

Millions choose Him. That must bring God much joy

 

[JIMINZ]

Biblically though you do not support your position.

The Bible IS the authority. All of it.

So why did Jesus pray everyday?

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So once again you misunderstand what I have written, if you would stop answering my answers to W2L it would help a lot.

W2L and I were talking and I made a comment about what HE said.
You have taken that answer to HIM, and asked a question which does not only not relate to OUR conversation, you make it sound again as though I am saying something I have never said.

The word Praying was in relation to HIS Praying for someones Healing, it HE does not believe in the Gift of Healing then WHY PRAY.

Jesus prayed everyday and He was God.

Why do you think Jesus needed to pray? Is that the only reason He could perform miracles?

That is my point, I was not talking about PRAYING. per se

 

[JIMINZ]

You really need to read people’s posts.

I said the rebellion of created beings i do not believe is God’s perfect will.

Perfect will would mean sin and separation from God please God.

God created Adam and Eve (humans) in perfect relationship with Him.

God created angelic beings in perfect relationship with Him.

Given this fact, that they were created this way, this shows that before they used their free will in rebellion, God wanted creation in relationship with Him.

It is only through rebellion and free will that this changed.

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Is it your belief God Created the Angels with Free Will?

 

[ToBeLoved]

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So once again you misunderstand what I have written, if you would stop answering my answers to W2L it would help a lot.

W2L and I were talking and I made a comment about what HE said.
You have taken that answer to HIM, and asked a question which does not only not relate to OUR conversation, you make it sound again as though I am saying something I have never said.

The word Praying was in relation to HIS Praying for someones Healing, it HE does not believe in the Gift of Healing then WHY PRAY.



That is my point, I was not talking about PRAYING. per se

Ok. So I’ll try to talk about what I think you are talking about.

So your point is that if I want someone healed, say my mother in the hospital in a coma that why would I pray for her of I do not believe in the gift of healing?

First, God tells us He hears our prayers.

What you are talking about is a person having a gift from the Holy Spirit that would allow the person to heal. The gift of healing.

What I would be praying for is God to intervene. Maybe not even through me. MYbe miraculously God heals her or gives the Dr insight or that she would come out of the coma.

My point is God still does miracles even if human beings no longer have a spiritual gift to heal.

I have God.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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Is it your belief God Created the Angels with Free Will?

Of course. How else are there angels still in heaven in perfection and angels doing evil?

God tells us in the Bible. Lucifer wanted to be God. To be worshipped as God.

Remember the Israelites. God does not share worship. Golden calf and Moses.

The Bible says “Lucifer, how you have fallen”

 

[JIMINZ]

I want someone healed, say my mother in the hospital in a coma then why would I pray for her if I do not believe in the gift of healing?

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Then your praying only in the hope God hears your Prayer, for her Recovery (Healing), and only out of His Mercy.

This is what I believe.
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I will finish in a min, I inadvertently pushed the wrong button.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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Then your praying only in the hope God hears your Prayer, for her Recovery (Healing), and only out of His Mercy.

This is what I believe.
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I will finish in a min, I inadvertently pushed the wrong button.

No. I am not praying hoping God hears. I know God hears my prayers.

I am praying that He will be merciful and answer the prayer and that He will through whatever means heal.

My hope is God will do as I ask.

 

[W2L]

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That's my point, you can call them observations, I call them just complaining, 6 of 1 - - 1/2 of 12.

If you don't, can't or won't see it, what else is there to say.

You sir are the one complaining...about my posts. Good nite.

 

[JIMINZ]

No. I am not praying hoping God hears.

My hope is God will do as I ask.

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That is the same thing.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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That is the same thing.

Ok. If that’s your logic I will let someone else respond. I hope you find some good bible resources as you study. A Bible encyclopedia and a good Bible commentary are helpful.

God Bless!

 

[JIMINZ]

Ok. If that’s your logic I will let someone else respond. I hope you find some good bible resources as you study. A Bible encyclopedia and a good Bible commentary are helpful.

God Bless!

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Yeah I'm wrong, sorry.