Certainty Jesus Returns No Later than 2023

[Manasseh_]

Nero is the Antichrist. Judas is the False Prophet. They have died. But they will be resurrected from the bad side of Hades where the Rich Man is asleep in. In releasing the demons from the pit, so too are the Antichrist and Flase Prophet released as the pit of the Abyss passes through Hades.

well, what we have here is a case of peat and re-peat...........why did you even bother to place my quote in your response ? you made no effort whatsoever to respond directly to it....

and now you've added a new twist............a bit of Greek mythology has been thrown into the mix..........."the bad side of Hades" and you placed a "rich man" there...........which rich man ? the one from one of Christ's parables..........you do realize he had about 3 or 4 parables involving a rich man............? and parables are stories used to teach certain things............they're not real events that occurred.............

the scripture I read and study has no room for greek mythology and doesn't allow it's belief............and what information from scripture lead you to believe that the "abyss" passes through Hades ? I'm real curious to find out where you got that one from...............

in short not one thing in your first statement is scriptural whatsoever........scripture doesn't even imply what you're saying here

here's something you can do...............before your statement put the title "scripture teaches that"...........let's try it now I got time.............

Scripture teaches that :
Nero is the antichrist
Judas is the false prophet
Both will be resurrected from the grave in the future
in the meantime they live in a place called the Bad Side of Hades
or they live in the Abyss (bottomless pit) and take a left turn through the bad side of Hades at the "appointed time" and arrive on earth to be the antichrist and false prophet

it just doesn't work does it.............? my first question would be what scripture teaches this ? honestly that wouldn't be my first question based on what I've studied,

everything you stated so far is nothing but hogwash.........crapolia (the latin term)..............

The Antichrist and the False Prophet are allowed to possess the body of someone. The Antichrist might possess the body of Prince William to become King WIIIIAM V or I AM VI VI VI. Judas posses the body of someone Like Barack Hussein Obama to be the False Prophet.

so they're going to posses the body of someone.........well we can't call this demon possession since only fallen angels are referred to as demons.............so what do we call this.......................some form of trans-migration.............??
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy certain buddist and hindu doctrines teach trans migration....................now we have a twisted form of christianity, some greek mythology and hinduism in the mix

oh yeah................more hogwash..................

 

[NumberOneSon]

Who is Troy?

A poster that has visited here over the years who creates (and then discards) various sock accounts. Right now he's posting under the name watchfulChristian.

 

[watchfulChristian]

everything you stated so far is nothing but hogwash

I see the problem. This is too much information for you so let me feed you milk first. One verse at a time.

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition" (Rev. 17.8).

The beast that "was" was Nero, "is not" at the time of John's writing because Nero had died, and "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit".

Now I risk one more verse with you though I fear it is too much for you to handle.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" (Rev. 17.11).

We also discover this 1st beast, the Antichrist, is "the eighth" and is "of the seven".

Oh oh, one more verse.

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (Rev. 17.10).

This king who is to come is the seventh [Prince William], but he is here only a short while, so he wouldn't be the Antichrist who is the eighth. "The one is" can't be the Antichrist because at the time of John's writing he "is not". So the eighth must be one of the five. These five are clearly the five fallen Caesars. Which one is the eighth? Obviously Nero for only Nero's name in Aramaic, equals 666.

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six" (Rev. 13.18).

Ergo, "The beast [Antichrist] that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition" (Rev. 17.8).

I fear I overwhelmed you again. I think you have faith problems not trusting the word of God.

 

[watchfulChristian]

A poster that has visited here over the years who creates (and then discards) various sock accounts. Right now he's posting under the name watchfulChristian.

You're not the number one son. That's Jesus. You are trying to usurp my Lord. Shame on you!

And you sin bearing false witness, accuser of the brethren day and night, making up stuff, trying to martyr the Christian again, instead of dealing with the topic of this thread. Why shut your mind down?

I would not want to be in your shoes with that attitude and hostility.

 

[Jipsah]

I think you have faith problems not trusting the word of God.

Your arglebargle has nothing at all to do with the Word of God, Troy. It's made-up-out-of-whole-cloth poppycock.

 

[Jipsah]

You're not the number one son.

"Number one son" means "eldest son". Do you have some reasonto believe that NOS isn't an eldest son?

That's Jesus.

Funny, I've never heard anyone refer to our Lord as "Number One Son". Where'd you get it?

You are trying to usurp my Lord.

No, that's a lie and you know it. But then you're claiming to be a woman at this point, aren't you? That means that there's a lie attached to every post you make here, doesn't it? So I guess another falsehood or two makes little difference from your viewpoint.

And you sin bearing false witness

Really? I've never known NOS to post anything that wasn't true. You, on the other hand, lie when the truth would seem to serve you better.

Why shut your mind down?

Why claim to be someone who you aren't? Why deny that you're Troy Brooks when most of us know that you are? Why claim to be a woman when you're not? Why make up charges, as ridiculous as they are scurrilous, to fling at those who point out that your entire presence here is a testimony to your mendacity?

 

[watchfulChristian]

Nothing to respond to there. Respond to this.

I see the problem. This is too much information for you so let me feed you milk first. One verse at a time.

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition" (Rev. 17.8).

The beast that "was" was Nero, "is not" at the time of John's writing because Nero had died, and "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit".

Now I risk one more verse with you though I fear it is too much for you to handle.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" (Rev. 17.11).

We also discover this 1st beast, the Antichrist, is "the eighth" and is "of the seven".

Oh oh, one more verse.

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (Rev. 17.10).

This king who is to come is the seventh [Prince William], but he is here only a short while, so he wouldn't be the Antichrist who is the eighth. "The one is" can't be the Antichrist because at the time of John's writing he "is not". So the eighth must be one of the five. These five are clearly the five fallen Caesars. Which one is the eighth? Obviously Nero for only Nero's name in Aramaic, equals 666.

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six" (Rev. 13.18).

Ergo, "The beast [Antichrist] that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition" (Rev. 17.8).

I fear I overwhelmed you again. I think you have faith problems not trusting the word of God.

 

[Douggg]

The Antichrist is the "first beast," Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic), whom Satan takes out from the pit and possesses Prince William who becomes King William V in 2015 the year the Tribulation starts from Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets for 2,520 days to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

I don't think that Nero was dead at the time John experienced Revelation in order to be in the bottomless pit.

I think that Nero was the "one is", i.e the one ruling at the time. In order for Nero to be in the bottomless pit, he would have to been king #5. I think your rationale is that John experienced Revelation under Domitian Rule, which would have meant that Nero was dead.

However, it doesn't make sense that Domitian was #6 because it says....

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other
is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

I maintain that since Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudians, ending the Caesar family rule of the Roman Empire, there were no more Julio-Claudians forthcoming except for #7, who will be the end times Antichrist little horn politician.

If Domitian was #6, he would have interrupted that dynasty between Nero and the end times Antichrist - if it is that all of the 7 kings are related.

That #7 must continue short space would mean that it prophesied that he would rule only for a short time, as the end times Julio-Claudian approximately 3 1/2 years, before he is killed and miraculously recovers in order for the beast to ascend out of the bottomless pit to possess him.

Also, I don't see Nero as being anything other than a man. While, on the other hand, Nimrod could have been part Nephilim. And Nimrod would have been at the root of Mystery Babylon, global rebellion against God.

I do agree with you that the end times Antichrist, whoever he is, will be possessed by the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit, but I don't see how it could be Nero.

The one who emerges is the Antichrist and he will take over 3 countries: Great Britian, Scotland and Ireland from the northwest.

"And the ten horns out of this kingdom [Europe] [are] ten kings [that] shall arise [first 10 countries of the European Communities]: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first [ones], and he shall subdue three kings" (Dan. 7.24).

If you are going to use that formula, then King Juan Carlos of Spain would be a more likely candidate. As Spain was the 11th member to join the EU.

Back in the 1990's, there was a book written to that effect. He doesn't fit anyway, because he is not Jewish, but back then that was not taken into account.

The first 10 countries formed was by 1982 the year Prince William was born.

I don't think it means when the Antichrist is born, but when he ascends to power, there will be a group of ten kings.

"And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land] [Israel]" (Dan. 8.9).

Heading south and towards the east is from the north and the west where Scotland, Ireland and England are.

The problem is that the little horn also has to come out of the geographic area of one of the four Alexander breakup kingdoms. Which definitely does not include England. The area of potential is Western Greece and the Balkan countries, like Romania and Macedonia.

Any advice on this quandry?

The EU is going through a crisis right now. It is the big news on all the business channels. And this week the Europeans chief of states have gathered to come up with solutions. They went through this last fall, winter, and temporarily put off the problems. I think just keep watching the news on the business channels which are consumed with the issue,
as it impacts the entire global economics and finances. Somewhere along the line there is going to be a realignment to get the ten king form of the EU which the Antichrist will be made apparent, as the single leader of the EU.

Doug

 

[watchfulChristian]

I don't think that Nero was dead at the time John experienced Revelation in order to be in the bottomless pit.

John wrote Revelation around 95 AD. Nero died June 9, 1968.

I think that Nero was the "one is", i.e the one ruling at the time. In order for Nero to be in the bottomless pit, he would have to been king #5. I think your rationale is that John experienced Revelation under Domitian Rule, which would have meant that Nero was dead.

That's right, Nero was dead.

However, it doesn't make sense that Domitian was #6 because it says....

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other
is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

"One is" is the sixth who was Domitian.

I maintain that since Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudians, ending the Caesar family rule of the Roman Empire, there were no more Julio-Claudians forthcoming except for #7, who will be the end times Antichrist little horn politician.

The 7th [possibly Prince William] will be the forerunner. Antichrist is the 8th.

If Domitian was #6, he would have interrupted that dynasty between Nero and the end times Antichrist - if it is that all of the 7 kings are related.

There is no interruption.

That #7 must continue short space would mean that it prophesied that he would rule only for a short time, as the end times Julio-Claudian approximately 3 1/2 years, before he is killed and miraculously recovers in order for the beast to ascend out of the bottomless pit to possess him.

The 7th doesn't have to rule on 3 1/2 years. And we can find out about the Antichrist who he is before the last 3 1/2 years.

Also, I don't see Nero as being anything other than a man. While, on the other hand, Nimrod could have been part Nephilim. And Nimrod would have been at the root of Mystery Babylon, global rebellion against God.

Nero doesn't need to be anything more than a man. In fact, he should be a man because for the Antichrist to mimmick Jesus he would be a man.

I do agree with you that the end times Antichrist, whoever he is, will be possessed by the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit, but I don't see how it could be Nero.

Only Neron Kaiser = 666 in Aramaic the language of Christ.

If you are going to use that formula, then King Juan Carlos of Spain would be a more likely candidate. As Spain was the 11th member to join the EU.

The 10 kings will be contemporary kings. I only threw in that interesting tidbit that it was in fact true the 10th nation in the EC was formed when Prince William was born in 1982.

I don't think it means when the Antichrist is born, but when he ascends to power, there will be a group of ten kings.

I agree, but he was interestingly born the year the 10th nation was formed in the EC.

The problem is that the little horn also has to come out of the geographic area of one of the four Alexander breakup kingdoms. Which definitely does not include England. The area of potential is Western Greece and the Balkan countries, like Romania and Macedonia.

Show me the verse where he has to come from one of the four Alexander breakup kingdoms. Today Greece is in big trouble, Ireland is a basket case, England's debt/gdp is outrageous. Who knows. Germany is a powerhouse exporting more than any other nation including China and Japan. It looks like the power of Rome revived is from Germany. 3 countries that could be taken over could be Ireland, England and Scotland or Greece, Italy and Spain into the Federal head of the European Union headed by the financial elite espeically Germany. But the problem is what country would give up its sovereignty? It's hard to imagine.

The EU is going through a crisis right now. It is the big news on all the business channels. And this week the Europeans chief of states have gathered to come up with solutions. They went through this last fall, winter, and temporarily put off the problems. I think just keep watching the news on the business channels which are consumed the issue,
as it impacts the entire global economics and finances. Somewhere along the line there is going to be a realignment to get the ten king form of the EU which the Antichrist will be made apparent, as the single leader of the EU.

Doug

Amazingly the US Dollar keeps going up and up and up when it is suppose to go down and down and down.

 

[Manasseh_]

I see the problem. This is too much information for you so let me feed you milk first.

no thanks, you failed to read the expiration date, your "milk" is spoiled...........

Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

 

[Manasseh_]

You're not the number one son. That's Jesus. You are trying to usurp my Lord. Shame on you!

And you sin bearing false witness, accuser of the brethren day and night, making up stuff, trying to martyr the Christian again, instead of dealing with the topic of this thread. Why shut your mind down?

I would not want to be in your shoes with that attitude and hostility.

hahahahahahahah.............you're lashing out at NumberOneSon as if a light was turned on catching you in the act of stealing cookies...........

......careful your anger is showing

did you happen to notice the byline under this handle.............

"The poster formerly known as Acts6:5"

apparently he had nothing to hide..........eh.........................


Proverbs 12:16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.

 

[watchfulChristian]

no thanks, you failed to read the expiration date, your "milk" is spoiled...........

Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

I guess I should leave as you rage on confidently.

 

[watchfulChristian]

hahahahahahahah.............you're lashing out at NumberOneSon as if a light was turned on catching you in the act of stealing cookies...........

......careful your anger is showing

did you happen to notice the byline under this handle.............

"The poster formerly known as Acts6:5"

apparently he had nothing to hide..........eh.........................


Proverbs 12:16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.

Why are you so angry?

 

[Manasseh_]

Why are you so angry?

this is getting more amusing by the minute............using the old "i know you are but what am I" routine huh ?

not very perceptive either are you.........I can't be angry, didn't you notice my huge belly laugh at the beginning of my post..........???

on a more serious note (NOT !) .............what difference does it make if you used to use another handle then add another sock account............if you get pegged by someone , so what, not like it's some top secret covert government action ???

so why the tantrum ?

 

[watchfulChristian]

this is getting more amusing by the minute............using the old "i know you are but what am I" routine huh ?

not very perceptive either are you.........I can't be angry, didn't you notice my huge belly laugh at the beginning of my post..........???

on a more serious note (NOT !) .............what difference does it make if you used to use another handle then add another sock account............if you get pegged by someone , so what, not like it's some top secret covert government action ???

so why the tantrum ?

You've got a lot of anger in that fat belly of yours.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You've got a lot of anger in that fat belly of yours.

My dad could beat up your dad.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Gnarwhal]

With a negative credibility rating why would anyone believe this stuff. Not one futuristic speculation has come to pass in the last 60 years despite the fact that there are thousands of them.

No one with any common sense and a proper understanding of biblical hermeneutics and exegesis does believe it. Only the ones who trust the gospel according to Hal Lindsey see the world this way.

Best not to put dates on speculations, but rather try to keep them all in the future where you cannot be proven to be wrong.

It's nice and safe that way.

 

[Tzaousios]

It seems Troy Brooks is back. They were on to him in Soteriology so he came here to try to push his End Times theory again.

 

[Manasseh_]

My dad could beat up your dad.

-CryptoLutheran

LoL........that's exactly what I was thinking..........deja vu.........I was thrust back into grade school days

 

[watchfulChristian]

I think we can all agree that when Jesus said we can "know" even "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) when He returns after the "branch is tender" (v.33), Israel a nation again, it wouldn't be more than lifetime of 75 years so the Tribulation can be no later than 2015-2022. Thus, we see EXACTLY 2,520 days (7x360) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022, the day the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed, so Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple for 1000 years. Amen. It is wild how the number 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. The only way I know how to explain that mystery is to say it is God's basic prophetic working unit.