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Dan. 8.14 says it will take 2300 days to cleanse the Temple. Jesus steps down on the 2300th day in 2022 from the day before passover 2016 when the Red Heifer and Lamb are dedicated to the newly constructed Temple.
The Church is not removed. The body of Christ remains on earth to lead people to Christ still by the Holy Spirit.
"Seven year covenant" is the same as "the covenant is confirmed for seven years".No, there is no seven year covenant. It says the covenant is confirmed for seven years.
Just as there are 7 years to each of Daniel's 69 sevens so is the 70th seven. You're confusing the new covenant of the cross. Jesus never amade any covenant for 7 years. You're confused.No, the new covenant is not seven years. There is no seven year covenant. The new covenant, which is eternal, is confirmed by Jesus with many for seven years.
You agreed Paul never said there was a 7 year covenant of Christ on the cross. There is a 7 year covenant in Dan. 9.27 "one unit of seven". You agree there is no 7 year covenant by Jesus. Praise the Lord. Antichrist makes a covenant for 7 years though then breaks it in the middle (Dan. 9.27).Agreed - there is no seven year covenant. There is no seven year covenant mentioned in Daniel 9. There is no seven year covenant made by Christ. There is no seven year covenant made by the antichrist.
No seven your covenant by Jesus, nor 3.5 years either.It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years, 3 1/2 of which is already complete.
No mention of a new covenant in Dan. 9.27. The prince in Dan. 9.27 doesn't reconcile but "he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." You're so confused.Think about it: Daniel 9 is talking about how Israel is going to be reconciled to God through Messiah the Prince, the Prince that shall come and supposedly there's no mention of the New Covenant????
Jesus never made a covenant for "one week" (Dan. 9.27) so that is not the new covenant, just a treaty by the Antichrist who breaks it in the middle.The covenant with many that is confirmed by Jesus is the New Covenant. It is the New Covenant that takes away the sins of Israel and completes all that is listed in Daniel 9:24.
I know the day Jesus was born and died. He was born Sept., 6 BC Tishri 15. He died April 1, 33 AD. His ministry was 3 years. And no covenant by Jesus for 3.5 or 7 years. Silly. He began his ministry when he was 34 or 35 and died at 37.5.No, Jesus' ministry was 3 1/2 years. He was born in the fall and died in the Spring. His ministry began when he was 30.
No the Jews are not sealed the same way. This was a protection from being killed, not about being born-again.Yes, sealed and protected just like we are sealed and protected.
No covenant by Jesus for 7 years that's why you can't find any quote, but certainly after the desolations to the end where humans almost destroy themselves Jesus returns for the sake of the elect.Hence, the covenant that Christ confirms with many for one seven!
No 7 year covenant around Herod's temple.That was herod's temple, not some future event.
The bowls of wrath are the last 24 months of the 7th trumpet. Rev. 11.15 is before that as are Rev. 14.14-16, 1 Thess. 4.14-18. The Tribulation begins at the end of the 6th seal. No Christian goes to heaven at the start of the Tribulation unless they fulfill the condition of Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10.The church is not appointed to wrath. Wrath begins at the 6th seal. We are in heaven by then which is why Revelation 7 shows us there.
Just because a Christian enters the Tribulation doesn't mean he is appointed to wrath. God's wrath is not on him.1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Rev 6:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
He alone can never die since He is God. How does that discount Hell or the fact that humans are permanently existing, made in God's image? Just because someone is permanently existing doesn't mean that person has eternal life or will receive eternal life.
"Do not fear them who can kill the body only rather fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10.28). "Destroy" doesn't here mean annihilation, but in the lexicon: "render useless...to perish, to be lost, ruined...to lose...metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell...to put out of the way entirely, abolish."Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning??
Jesus resurrected but everyone else sleeps but Jesus. God's image can never cease to exist. What God makes in His image is permanently existing whether that be with Him or not with Him.Pretty plain--God alone is immortal--Jesus did die--on the cross. We are made in His image. Image=likeness--as in appearance, form, not in His exact clone, with His personality, with His immortality--immortality is given to the saved at His appearing. What you say doesn't even make sense--permanently existing is eternal life--if you are an animate object. Only an inanimate object can permanently exist without life--to be burning forever in pain would require life, a rock can not feel pain and can not be punished.
Cities burning in pain? I thought we were talking about human beings?Sodom and Gomorrah look pretty well annihilated to me--but if you want to believe they're somewhere still burning in pain--go right ahead. None of what you say makes any sense and your math pretty well sucks. Everyone that has made a prediction as to when Jesus returns have been made to look foolish. Jesus and the angels do not know, neither do you and you can add numbers from here to the day He appears and you will still not know. I'll just skip the rest of this thread--all this math is giving me a headache. Besides, the bible says those days will be shortened, so whatever date you pick, God may have His own thoughts on the matter---His choice, not yours. He comes when He wants to, not when you say He does. The universe is His own personal wristwatch--His timing is perfect, yours, on the other hand--is not.
You reject the God who says you "will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out" (Is. 66.24).I do not, never will, reject God---I reject your theories, your views of who He is.
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Seven year covenant" is the same as "the covenant is confirmed for seven years".
Just as there are 7 years to each of Daniel's 69 sevens so is the 70th seven. You're confusing the new covenant of the cross. Jesus never amade any covenant for 7 years. You're confused.
You agreed Paul never said there was a 7 year covenant of Christ on the cross. There is a 7 year covenant in Dan. 9.27 "one unit of seven". You agree there is no 7 year covenant by Jesus. Praise the Lord. Antichrist makes a covenant for 7 years though then breaks it in the middle (Dan. 9.27).
No seven your covenant by Jesus, nor 3.5 years either.
You're confused. You said "There is no seven year covenant made by Christ" and "It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years".
Funny.
No mention of a new covenant in Dan. 9.27. The prince in Dan. 9.27 doesn't reconcile but "he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." You're so confused.
Jesus never made a covenant for "one week" (Dan. 9.27) so that is not the new covenant, just a treaty by the Antichrist who breaks it in the middle.
The New Covenant doesn't take away the sins of Israel, but saves people from their sins.
No 7 year covenant around Herod's temple.
The bowls of wrath are the last 24 months of the 7th trumpet. Rev. 11.15 is before that as are Rev. 14.14-16, 1 Thess. 4.14-18. The Tribulation begins at the end of the 6th seal. No Christian goes to heaven at the start of the Tribulation unless they fulfill the condition of Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10.
Just because a Christian enters the Tribulation doesn't mean he is appointed to wrath. God's wrath is not on him.
The initial wrath is of course the commencement of the Tribulation, but the "bowls of wrath" are near the end of the Tribulation. The general rapture and resurrection occurs before the bowls of wrath, not before the Tribulation.
Rev. 7.9 is the first rapture, but it is according to readiness.
The reason why it says in Dan. 9.25 that Jesus is cut off after the 69th seven is because it is after though within days after. Otherwise it would have said Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th seven with the first half of the 70th seven overlapping the second half of the 69th seven. Silly.
All sixty-nine sevens are seven years each. Why wouldn't the seventieth seven?There is no 7 year covenant. Daniel 9 doesn't say there's a 7 year covenant. It says, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven."
I don't recall Jesus making a covenant with anyone for 7 years or 3 1/2 years. Israel is still in. And "the fulness of the Gentiles" has not occurred yet.The New Covenant is confirmed by Jesus with many of Israel during the final week of years. 3 1/2 are complete and 3 1/2 remain. This is exactly what Paul was saying in Romans 11:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
I don't believe the New Covenant is 7 years, nor is 3 1/2 years.The New Covenant is not seven years. That is your error in thinking.
You're quite the doubletalker. You said "The New Covenant is NOT seven years" then you said "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years." You're confused.The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years.
Israel is still in sin. Dan. 9.24 is not fulfilled yet.Paul understood it. He said blindness has happened to Israel in part until the fulness of the gentiles is come in and then all Israel will be saved and "this is my(Jesus') covenant unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins."
It doesn't say new covenant, but we know Jesus who was cut off (Dan. 9.25) does o for the sins of the world and this is the new covenant. Dan. 9.27 is a covenant for one seven. The atonement is not for 7 years.No mention of a new covenant in Daniel 9, eh? Then how, oh how, will Israel be reconciled to God?
I never said Jesus made a covenant for one week. That's what you keep saying. Let me quote you again what you said: "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years."You are still missing it. It doesn't say Jesus made a covenant for one week. It says "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven". Jesus spends seven years confirming the covenant with many of Israel.
The covenant with Israel is that the nation will be saved when Jesus returns. Individually, Jew or Gentile, to be saved one must receive what Jesus did on the cross which is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant was under the law to show nobody could keep the law, so God instituted sacrifices to atone for sin. Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice, the fulfilment of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.Not scriptural. Scripture says:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The bowls of wrath do not start at the 6th Seal.Scripture is clear. Wrath begins at the 6th seal and the church is not appointed to suffer wrath.
Jesus produces the New Covenant with not just Israel but everyone when He is cut off after the 69th seven, before the 70th seven.Jesus is here for the 70th seven when He is confirming the New Covenant with many of Israel.
The 70th seven has never started since Jesus is cut off after the 69th seven, not during the final seven. Jesus ministered a little under 3 years.3 1/2 years of that final seven are complete during Jesus' ministry when He came to the lost sheep of Israel and many accepted him.
The first 3 1/2 years is Rev. 8 the first four trumpets of the Tribulation. The 144,000 of Israel (Rev. 7.1-8) refers to those who are physically protected and hidden perhaps in Petra. It doesn't speak of them being born-again, only that they constitute the remnant of Israel.3 1/2 more years of the final seven are yet to come when 144,000 of all Israel is saved.
Israel as a nation will be saved, but individually to be born-again one must give their lives to Christ and accept what He did for us on the cross both Jew and Gentile alike.Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
All sixty-nine sevens are seven years each. Why wouldn't the seventieth seven?
I don't recall Jesus making a covenant with anyone for 7 years or 3 1/2 years. Israel is still in. And "the fulness of the Gentiles" has not occurred yet.
Dan. 9.27 is not the cross, since verse 26 is 70 AD, and Jesus died on the cross as per verse 25. You have things ass backwards. Dan. 9.27 refers to the prince of the Romans who is the Antichrist who breaks a covenant with many in the middle usher in his reign of terror.
I don't believe the New Covenant is 7 years, nor is 3 1/2 years.
You're quite the doubletalker. You said "The New Covenant is NOT seven years" then you said "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years." You're confused.
Israel is still in sin. Dan. 9.24 is not fulfilled yet.
It doesn't say new covenant, but we know Jesus who was cut off (Dan. 9.25) does o for the sins of the world and this is the new covenant. Dan. 9.27 is a covenant for one seven. The atonement is not for 7 years.
I never said Jesus made a covenant for one week. That's what you keep saying. Let me quote you again what you said: "The New Covenant is confirmed with many by Jesus for seven years."
Jesus never spent seven years confirming any covenant. He ministered for 3 years, perhaps a little less than 3, and then He was cut off after the 69th seven. You're confused.
The covenant with Israel is that the nation will be saved when Jesus returns. Individually, Jew or Gentile, to be saved one must receive what Jesus did on the cross which is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant was under the law to show nobody could keep the law, so God instituted sacrifices to atone for sin. Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice, the fulfilment of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.
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