Cavemen

[Nathan Poe]

Logikos is Greek.

Yes, we all know that -- in fact, the only reason you seem to know it is because I told you.

Aristotle was the first man in recorded history to formalize what we now call Logic.

Second man, actually. Medhatithi Gautama was the first that we know of.

You were told that, too -- do try to keep up.

Logic and Aristotle are synonymous.

So are Betsy Ross and the American flag -- even though the truth is that she had nothing to do with its design.

Sometimes even synonyms are mistaken -- perhaps if you had studied logic, you'd know that "appeal to popularity" is a fallacy?

 

[corvus_corax]

Logic is a Greek word not an Indian word.

Logikos is Greek.

(all bold emphasis mine)
Dah dah dah daaaah....I'm luvin' it!
And you didn't even have the courage to admit that Nathan Poe educated you on this specific item.

Typical.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some people do live in hotels, and these people did live in caves. We have found evidence of long term hearths and garbage dumps nearby. Also in the same era there were no signs of larger towns or cities.So do you have any evidence to back up this lack of 'Cave men'?

Caves are made of rock. Houses are made of sticks.
Stick houses don't last as long. Yet we still live in them.

Garbage dumps huh?
That really sounds like a city situation to me.

And there aren't many caves.

It's a Myth invented to persuade you that
earlier man had a less developed intellect.
Yet most of the evidence of earlier civilizations
is so advanced that we often can't even make sense
of it. So who has the less developed intellect?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Caves are made of rock. Houses are made of sticks.
Stick houses don't last as long. Yet we still live in them.

Garbage dumps huh?
That really sounds like a city situation to me.

And there aren't many caves.

It's a Myth invented to persuade you that
earlier man had a less developed intellect.
Yet most of the evidence of earlier civilizations
is so advanced that we often can't even make sense
of it. So who has the less developed intellect?

Only problem is that the people who toss around terms like "less developed intellect" (i.e., fundies) usually do so without the slightest inkling of what they're talking about -- which the rest of us have come to expect.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Second man, actually. Medhatithi Gautama was the first that we know of.

No. We don't even know if this is a real person and he has no written treatise on Logic.

You were told that however you seem to have a proclivity to ignore facts.

http://books.google.com/books?id=iF...6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Medhatithi Gautama&f=false

Gautama is an old name, and we find it attached to one of the Rsis of the Rg-veda; ... he is also mentioned in the Satapatha brahmana...; in the Taittiriya-pratisakhya, in the Asvalayama-srauta-sutra and in other similar old works; but nowhere is he refered to as the author of the Nyaya-sastra. The passage of the Mahab-harata on which Dr. Vidyabhusan bases his theory of a Medhatithi Gautama does not say that Medhatithi was the author of Anviksiki or Nyaya, nor does it say that Medhatithi and Gautama were identical persons. The name Gautama is a patryonic, and the passage of the Maha-bharata referred to by Dr. Vidyabhusan clearly means that the highly wise Medhatithi of the Gautama race was engaged in asceticism. This is corroborated by the fact that the passage of Bhasa referred to by Dr. Vidyabhusan mentions Medhatithi as a teacher of Nyaya-sastra and does not call him Gautama, nor does it say that Medhatithi was the originator of Nyaya. Dr. Vidyabhusan's theory, therefore, of Medhatithi Gautama being the originator of the Nyaya-sastra falls down like a house of cards.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

(all bold emphasis mine)
Dah dah dah daaaah....I'm luvin' it!
And you didn't even have the courage to admit that Nathan Poe educated you on this specific item.

Typical.

The day Mr. Poe educates me is the day Hell freezes over...

 

[ReverendDG]

Caves are made of rock. Houses are made of sticks.
Stick houses don't last as long. Yet we still live in them.

stick houses are cheaper to build and don't take as long as stone houses.
you do know we can build houses out of stone right?
i saw a thatch house in ireland, when i went there, up near the tombs, it was something right out of the 15 century.

Garbage dumps huh?
That really sounds like a city situation to me.

so a hole in the ground makes you think of cities?

And there aren't many caves.

there are lots of caves.

It's a Myth invented to persuade you that
earlier man had a less developed intellect.
Yet most of the evidence of earlier civilizations
is so advanced that we often can't even make sense
of it. So who has the less developed intellect?

the only people who seem to think that are people swayed by creationists and bad writers for popsci mags.

what advanced civilizations? every one of them is less advanced than us, though that is expected and doesn't mean they are stupid only expected for what tools they had.
some of them are quite impressive though, but i bet we could do the things they did faster and with less work.
that is what it means to be advanced after all.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No. We don't even know if this is a real person and he has no written treatise on Logic.

You don't strike me as the kind of person too lazy for a simple Google search, so I can only assume you chose not to do so for a different reason.

You were told that however you seem to have a proclivity to ignore facts.

I was told this by someone who has been known to fabricate "facts."

A history of Indian philosophy - Google Books

Oh, goody -- in your attempt to prove that Medhatithi Gautama wasn't a real person, you've linked to a passage of a book describing people who have studied him in great detail.

You're new at this "debating" thing, aren't you?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The day Mr. Poe educates me is the day Hell freezes over...

I'm inclined to agree -- After ten years in the profession, I assure you that education requires an able and willing student.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Exactly what part of "Dr. Vidyabhusan's theory, therefore, of Medhatithi Gautama being the originator of the Nyaya-sastra falls down like a house of cards" don't you understand?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I'm inclined to agree -- After ten years in the profession, I assure you that education requires an able and willing student.

I pity these so-called "students."

 

[Nathan Poe]

Exactly what part of "Dr. Vidyabhusan's theory, therefore, of Medhatithi Gautama being the originator of the Nyaya-sastra falls down like a house of cards" don't you understand?

The part that's actually relevant to the discussion.

Medhatithi Gautama founded the anvisiki school of logic centuries before Aristotle was born. Whether or not he penned a particular treatsie does not make this inconvenient fact -- nor your continual errors -- go away.

But I do thank you for providing this evening's amusement.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Medhatithi Gautama founded the anvisiki school of logic centuries before Aristotle was born.

You have no evidence Medhatithi Gautama even existed.

If this gymnosophist learned some Greek Logikos when Pythagoras travelled to India we have no evidence of it.

 

[Shemjaza]

Caves are made of rock. Houses are made of sticks.
Stick houses don't last as long. Yet we still live in them.

Garbage dumps huh?
That really sounds like a city situation to me.

And there aren't many caves.

It's a Myth invented to persuade you that
earlier man had a less developed intellect.
Yet most of the evidence of earlier civilizations
is so advanced that we often can't even make sense
of it. So who has the less developed intellect?

I never denied that people also lived in huts made from wood and sticks, but if you are going to talk about how sophisticated ancient technology was, please give some examples?

As I said earlier, we have their remains and we have left overs from their tools. Ancient Homo sapiens were as intelligent they just didn't have our technology. They had tools made from stone, wood and bone. Often they have particular skills and techniqes we no longer need or posess, but in overall understanding of the universe we are ahead.

Please feel free to demonstrate actual evidence of advanced technology from an acient culture.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

I never denied that people also lived in huts made from wood and sticks, but if you are going to talk about how sophisticated ancient technology was, please give some examples?

Ancient robots in Greece (tripods of Hephaistos, automatic puppets and automatic wagons of Aristotle, vending machines of Hero of Alexandria).

Ancient computers in Greece (Antikythera Mechanism).

Ancient helicopters in Egypt (temple of Seti I at Abydos).

As I said earlier, we have their remains and we have left overs from their tools.

And we also have the remains of their computers.

Ancient Homo sapiens were as intelligent they just didn't have our technology.

Why would they even want our technology? Our technology sucks compared to theirs.

They had voice and mind activated weapons and interplanetary and interstellar spaceflight (Mahabharata).

They had tools made from stone, wood and bone.

Modern humans do too.

Often they have particular skills and techniqes we no longer need or posess, but in overall understanding of the universe we are ahead.

Absurd.

The ancients had a far more advanced understanding of the universe than we do.

"He [Democritus] said that the ordered worlds are boundless and differ in size, and that in some there is neither sun nor moon, but that in others, both are greater than with us, and yet with others more in number. And that the intervals between the ordered worlds are unequal, here more and there less, and that some increase, others flourish and others decay, and here they come into being and there they are eclipsed. But that they are destroyed by colliding with one another. And that some ordered worlds are bare of animals and plants and all water." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century

Please feel free to demonstrate actual evidence of advanced technology from an acient culture.

"The programmable self-propelled machine might even go back as far as the 8th century B.C. ... It looks like the search for the earliest programmable robot is far from over." -- Noel Sharkey, computer scientist, July 2007

YouTube - Ancient Discoveries Ancient Robots 1 5

"This [Antikythera Mechanism] was tantamount to finding a jet airplane in the tomb of King Tut." -- David H. Childress, author, 2009

YouTube - Antikythera Mechanism Part 1: by Nature Video

 

[Nathan Poe]

You have no evidence Medhatithi Gautama even existed.

The school accredited to him proves him to be as real as Jesus of Nazareth.

If this gymnosophist learned some Greek Logikos when Pythagoras travelled to India we have no evidence of it.

I thought you were claiming that Aristotle invented Logikos* --- centuries later? I'd ask you to stick to one story, but I suppose that would be futile -- tomorrow you'll probably claim Poseidon invented it, with a little help from the mermen.

*Kudos to you for using the word I taught you; repetition is the key to remembering new vocabulary.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The ancients had a far more advanced understanding of the universe than we do.

Perhaps more than you do, but the rest of us choose not to limit ourselves.

(edited to remove references to the Infallible Holy Scriptures of YouTube)

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

The school accredited to him proves him to be as real as Jesus of Nazareth.

Since when do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was real?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Perhaps more than you do, but the rest of us choose not to limit ourselves.

LOL.

Because treating Darwin as an infallible omniscient demigod isn't limiting.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Since when do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was real?

Since always -- I've never in my entire posting history denied that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person.

Wow, Ag -- you just keep making mistakes and bad assumptions left, right, and center, don't you?