Catholics CAN'T Answer This Question!!!

[Albion]

Could it not be both, the word and the use?

What alarms you about the word? Is it that it suggests veneration of the Virgin? Or is it as I thought you were saying before, i.e. if the Bible doesn't mention it, it cannot be used?

Many if not most Catholic believers will argue that the "Implication of anything" is not proof that the thing exists and will insist that the literal WORD be found.

It is the same old argument of....the word Rapture is not in the Bible so then there is no such thing.
Same with the Trinity. No literal words, then it does not exist.

Are we agreed, then, that such arguments (which would include "rosary" too) are unpersuasive?

I just had a long discussion on another thread with a Catholic believer who insists that because the literal words..."Faith Alone" are not found in the Bible then there can be no doctrine based on the "Implication" of that said doctrine.

Yes, they are anxious to say that, but it's ridiculous. If Faith alone gets a mention as accomplishing something, then for us to say we agree with "Faith alone" makes perfect sense and is not improper.

That is why I was saying the word "Rosary" is not found in the Bible but all Catholics pray it, but then turn around and denounce that we are saved by "Faith Alone" and not works least you brag about it.

Ah, you mean it as a response to them doing the same thing as they accuse us of. Yes, I agree with that.

 

[Albion]

Catholics have answered them all.

Your problem is sola scriptura is false.

Well, the Bible doesn't say that, but it does call Scripture the highest authority. See if you can put the pieces together.

 

[Major1]

Where are the words, "Pray the Sinners prayer," or "Have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."

They are not in Bible and again you are assumeing that they are used by ALL.

By the way, if a person comes to a Catholic church and asks the priest how to be saved, how does he respond to that?

 

[Albion]

Naught.
Everything, every action is either for Jesus, or against Jesus (every person too).

If so, which category does the rosary fall into and why?

 

[Meowzltov]

They are not in Bible and again you are assumeing that they are used by ALL.

By the way, if a person comes to a Catholic church and asks the priest how to be saved, how does he respond to that?

"Repent and be baptized, every one of you, for the forgiveness of sins." Let's start classes so that you can learn the faith and see if that's what you want to do.

 

[Meowzltov]

There is no "Alter Call" in the Scriptures that I know of. If my memory is correct I believe that can be placed on Charles Finney in the early 1800's.
You are using that under the assumption that ALL Protestant churches do it and that just is not the case.

It is used by Evangelicals, who are the worst about picking on Catholicism.

 

[Meowzltov]

NOPE. Where are the words........."PRAY THE ROSARY".

Where is the word, "Trinity"?

 

[Major1]

"Repent and be baptized, every one of you, for the forgiveness of sins." Let's start classes so that you can learn the faith and see if that's what you want to do.

And just how do you know that, that is exactly what is not done in Protestant churches today.

You see, your comments tell me that you are only parroting what other Catholic believers have told you.
Catholic bloggers do the very same thing.

If you had attended an Evangelical Protestant church you would be more able to comment on what you actually saw.

Every single church I have been in has a "New Members or a Beginners class" just exactly as you stated.

 

[Major1]

Where is the word, "Trinity"?

The word is not found in the Bible.

The word....."Padded Pews" is not in the Bible either, but do you sit on one in your church?
The word....."Electric light bulb" is not in the Bible but do you have any in your church ?
The word....."Air Conditioner" is not in the Bible but do you have one in your church?

Now, as a Catholic do YOU believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? It is a Catholic doctrine by the way.

 

[Major1]

It is used by Evangelicals, who are the worst about picking on Catholicism.

Dosen't that go both ways?

From what I have read on religious web sites seems to be about 50-50 to me.

 

[Major1]

"Repent and be baptized, every one of you, for the forgiveness of sins." Let's start classes so that you can learn the faith and see if that's what you want to do.

But you did not answer the question. YES, "Repent and be baptized everyone of you for the forgiveness of sin" is the response anyone would give, but the question was HOW and WHEN does that take place in your church?

Do you have a time where there is a question asked by the priest if there is anyone in attendance who feels like they need to "Repent and confess and be baptized"?

Do you pass around a clip board and have people sign a form saying that they need to "Repent and confess and be baptized"?

Do you have a process where by YOU for example have been convicted by the Holy Spirit of your sin and YOU want to "Confess, repent and be baptized" and become a Catholic believer?

I am not talking about the confessional booth as that is for Catholic believers who already are Catholic. What if YOU were a lost sinner and wanted to be saved, HOW would YOU do that this Sunday in your church?

 

[Albion]

And just how do you know that, that is exactly what is not done in Protestant churches today.

You see, your comments tell me that you are only parroting what other Catholic believers have told you.
Catholic bloggers do the very same thing.

Regardless of whatever else has been said on this thread, it is absolutely true that Catholics have had it drilled to them that "non-Catholics" are 1) completely ignorant of Catholicism, even those who once were members of the Catholic Church, and 2) obsessed by the desire to defame Catholicism (read: 'lie' about her).

If there is to be any significant movement towards better relations between Catholicism and Protestantism, this is something that must be set aside, just as "the Church" has largely given up on preaching Limbo, Purgatory, the idea that only Catholics can be saved, and other Medievalisms that the people in the pews no longer buy into.

 

[Phil 1:21]

It is used by Evangelicals, who are the worst about picking on Catholicism.

For what it's worth, I attend an evangelical church and have never seen an "altar call" there. Regardless, allowing people to come forth and turn their lives over to Christ is a good thing, no matter what label we place on it or how it takes place.

"In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Luke 15:10

 

[Major1]

Regardless of whatever else has been said on this thread, it is absolutely true that Catholics have had it drilled to them that "non-Catholics" are 1) completely ignorant of Catholicism, even those who once were members of the Catholic Church, and 2) obsessed by the desire to defame Catholicism (read: 'lie' about her).

If there is to be any significant movement towards better relations between Catholicism and Protestantism, this is something that must be set aside, just as "the Church" has largely given up on preaching Limbo, Purgatory, the idea that only Catholics can be saved, and other Medievalisms that the people in the pews no longer buy into.

Agreed.

In my personal opinion, unless there is substantial movement from the RCC towards Bible doctrines and away from their own church doctrines, the divide will in fact grow larger and larger.

 

[Albion]

All right, but that is a different issue.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is Jesus saying ?
(Today)
Which assemblies have members who know ?

 

[Meowzltov]

For what it's worth, I attend an evangelical church and have never seen an "altar call" there

Your pastor NEVER asks people to invite Christ into their heart?

 

[Major1]

Your pastor NEVER asks people to invite Christ into their heart?

I have heard many pastors ask that question. Can YOU tell me why YOU are against such a question?????Does YOUR priest ever ask any of his people to do that?

WHY are you against an "Alter call"?

If we do not ask a person if they are saved, how will we know how to help them"

Again, I already asked this and maybe I missed it, but how does a lost man get saved in a Catholic church.

Since you have said that there is no invitation and I am assuming the priests do not ask the congregation if there is anyone who feels the need of Jesus in order to be saved, how then does it work?
I am asking you what the process is in a Catholic church.

 

[Meowzltov]

But you did not answer the question. YES, "Repent and be baptized everyone of you for the forgiveness of sin" is the response anyone would give, but the question was HOW and WHEN does that take place in your church?

You didn't read the whole statement apparently. I followed up the Bible quote by the priest supposedly saying, Let's take a class so that you can learn while you consider doing this.

There is the norm, there are the exceptions... It's hard to nail down. But generally speaking, we make sure that people make informed choices when they become Christians, and we normally do this through a program called the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. That doesn't mean I as a Catholic can't sit down with someone and tell them the gospel, and have them accept it right then and there. There might be circumstances where they would go straight to the priest, confess their sins, be baptized, receive the spirit, and take communion.

Right now, I teach pre-Confirmation. It's a class for teens who parents are cultural Catholics who don't live their faith, never come to Mass except maybe on Christmas, and don't know the faith themselves. These darling kids don't know the first thing about Christianity much less Catholicism. I get to teach them the basics, like Adam and Eve. Last Tuesday, we covered the Gospel, and honestly, it was like being an Evangelist. I told them that if this was the ONLY thing they remembered out of the whole year, I would be happy.

 

[Meowzltov]

Dosen't that go both ways?

From what I have read on religious web sites seems to be about 50-50 to me.

No, Catholics don't call Evangelicalism the harlot of Babylon.