Catholicism Questions

[Albion]

Surely, the five-pointed star is most well-known as the Star of David, the Jewish symbol, isn't it?

The Star of David is six-pointed.

 

[LilLamb219]

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The OP of this thread was asking for input from Catholics. If you are NOT a Roman Catholic, do NOT reply!!!!!

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[Albion]

The OP did NOT ask for input only from Cathoics. He asked for information and merely speculated that a Catholic might know the answer.

 

[bitznbitez]

So I have a question that been puzzling me lately. Haven't been able to find an answer, maybe a catholic will know the answer. I was wondering why the Vatican have symbols of upside down and bent crosses? That's traditionally consider satanism symbols. Does it mean something different in Catholicism?

What others have said about it being the Cross of St. Peter who was crucified upside down but that doesn't get to your "traditionally satanism" question.

Look at the Rainbow. Until a few years ago the symbol of Noahs Flood, Peace, Harmony, Pot of Gold at the end of a rainbow.

Now its the symbol of an entire sexual movement. Fast forward a few centuries and someone will ask "Why is the church using a pagan symbol".

The pagans have a long history of coopting symbols and changing them.

 

[Albion]

What others have said about it being the Cross of St. Peter who was crucified upside down but that doesn't get to your "traditionally satanism" question.

Look at the Rainbow. Until a few years ago the symbol of Noahs Flood, Peace, Harmony, Pot of Gold at the end of a rainbow.

Now its the symbol of an entire sexual movement. Fast forward a few centuries and someone will ask "Why is the church using a pagan symbol".

The pagans have a long history of coopting symbols and changing them.

Exactly right. Most Satanic symbols are copies from Christianity done in order to mock the faith, and the Wiccan religion is only a few years old anyway. Naturally, a manufactured religion is going to be borrowing from earlier religions.

 

[bitznbitez]

Hello - I have a question - Paul tells us that a man with long hair is shameful (1Cor 11:14)

Were those who took the nazarite vow shameful ?

 

[mgelinas]

If you wish to succeed, you should use persistence as your good friend, experience as your reference, prudence as your brother and hope as your sentry.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Were those who took the nazarite vow shameful ?

Well what does scripture say about long hair?

It says what it says. But what it doesn't say is your a shameful person but that it is a Shame when a man has hair as a woman....

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Exactly right. Most Satanic symbols are copies from Christianity done in order to mock the faith, and the Wiccan religion is only a few years old anyway. Naturally, a manufactured religion is going to be borrowing from earlier religions.

But we find this the other way round in almost every case when it comes to the rcc and who takes what from whom... Just like the rcc saying they got the mitre hat from the Byzantines when clearly it came from the babylonians...

 

[Albion]

But we find this the other way round in almost every case when it comes to the rcc and who takes what from whom... Just like the rcc saying they got the mitre hat from the Byzantines when clearly it came from the babylonians...

"Clearly it came from the Babylonians?" 'Fraid not. I can assure you that it did not, and the Christian symbolism inherent in the mitre is very strong.

If you had some other emblems, etc. in mind, I would of course be willing to listen.

 

[George95]

Well what does scripture say about long hair?

It says what it says. But what it doesn't say is your a shameful person but that it is a Shame when a man has hair as a woman....

But if that's so, then why is Our Lord normally depicted with long hair?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Don't mind me, I just wanted to subscribe to this thread.

 

[donfish06]

Really? It just seems odd to use something that is now meant to mock Jesus(YAHUSHUA). Just noticed the Vatican is filled with bent crucifix and upside down crosses. Seems a bit odd odd to have the two things that satanism uses.

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[donfish06]

But if that's so, then why is Our Lord normally depicted with long hair?

That is a good question. I believe a man should have short hair and a women should have long, but this has always stumped me.

We know that Jesus was "from" Nazareth and took a Nazarite vow like Samson did.

One thing I heard is that in those days, short hair was above shoulder length, and long hair was mid-back to butt length.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Originally Posted by Happyuser

Really? It just seems odd to use something that is now meant to mock Jesus(YAHUSHUA). Just noticed the Vatican is filled with bent crucifix and upside down crosses. Seems a bit odd odd to have the two things that satanism uses.
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The bent crucifix, I believe, is symbolic of the "weight of our sin" that Christ carried to the cross on our behalf.

The upside down cross is a symbol of St. Peter, who, according to tradition felt himself unworthy to be crucified the way that Christ was, and at his request was crucified upside-down. Both the upside down cross and the crossed keys are symbols in Christian Iconography that represent St. Peter.

I attend St. Peters Lutheran Church which has Crossed Keys on our Altar above a Crucifix of our Our Lord, and below our Lord's cross on the top of our Altar. In an Icon of St. Peter in our Church he is shown holding his Epistles, and upon these epistles is depicted the following symbol below:

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Agreed with Mark. Evolutionists use the fish symbol with feet and Darwin. Pastafarians have a parody of the fish with the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Ramen!). Just because someone misuses a symbol doesnt mean that we have to give it up.

 

[WisdomTree]

Agreed with Mark. Evolutionists use the fish symbol with feet and Darwin. Pastafarians have a parody of the fish with the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Ramen!). Just because someone misuses a symbol doesnt mean that we have to give it up.

If we did, we would be giving a lot of things up to the point where we would have nothing.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Agreed with Mark. Evolutionists use the fish symbol with feet and Darwin. Pastafarians have a parody of the fish with the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Ramen!). Just because someone misuses a symbol doesnt mean that we have to give it up.

If we did, we would be giving a lot of things up to the point where we would have nothing.

Yes, we would have nothing, we would be mired down in legalism, trying to keep man made laws in a neopharisitical pietistic way; and we would fail at every turn. All we could do to avoid sin would be to sit in silence like a bunch of quakers.

I'll take God's grace over legalism and pietism any day!

 

[ViaCrucis]

We know that Jesus was "from" Nazareth and took a Nazarite vow like Samson did.

No.

A Nazarene was someone from Nazareth.
A Nazarite was one who took a specific vow upon themselves.

We know that Jesus didn't take the Nazarite Vow because part of that Vow is to refrain from "fruit of the vine", and Jesus clearly has no trouble not only turning water into wine at the wedding feat at Cana, but remarks that because He did eat and drink He was accused by the "pious" busybodies of His day that He was a "drunkard and a glutton". You don't get accused of being a drunkard by being a teetotaler.

This is specifically in contrast to St. John the Baptist, who was a Nazarite.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[andy b]

why are there so many debates on so many pointless things ..to be a Christian is to follow Christ ...its easy show love compassion truth and honesty if anything you do falls outside these boundaries you are failing as a Christian