Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

[Erose]

Using the Jews as a example of praying for the dead is not a good idea. The Jews do not have the fullness of truth in Christ.

You are correct; but you do realize that the entire Bible was written by Jews, and when you honestly look at Christianity it is very Jewish.

 

[yogosans14]

E rose I have searched the OT for Purgatory and I couldn't find even a hint of it. For it to he true it needs to be more in one scripture from macabbes.

For instance Isaiah in the last chapter talks about Hell and where the worm dies not and Jesus quoted that when he taught Hell. He never quoted anything to prove purgatory, in fact I think he would be offended by the idea.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

*snip*

Infant Baptism really only became a thing with the Radical Reformation since it was condemned by Protestant Reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli). But that is irrelevant since they're not Catholics (well, they considered themselves to be). We consider baptism to be necessary for salvation, because it is a physical sign of our salvation. Though a clueless child may be exempt from the Wrath of God during Judgement, we perform this Sacrament anyway as physical sign that this child will be brought upright and in the path of God. In terms of scripture, the Saints commanding the newly saved to be baptised including their entire households alludes to the fact that households includes minors. *snip*

My daughter's friends were having their infants baptized and she wanted to have our little one know what faith she belonged to since many different religions attend daycare and preschool. It was decided to have her brought up immersed in books, songs and movies that are scripturally sound so she knows herself where her roots are. She's just 2 years old but already she's loving the stories....Noah's Ark and Joseph are her favorites

 

[WisdomTree]

My daughter's friends were having their infants baptized and she wanted to have our little one know what faith she belonged to since many different religions attend daycare and preschool. It was decided to have her brought up immersed in books, songs and movies that are scripturally sound so she knows herself where her roots are. She's just 2 years old but already she's loving the stories....Noah's Ark and Joseph are her favorites

I just realized I made a few mistake in my quote, also you're missing a couple of brackets for you quote, lol.

That's great, by having a child baptised, parents are making a covenant with God on raising their child, just as Abraham made a covenant when circumcision was first instituted with Isaac.

 

[Albion]

E rose I have searched the OT for Purgatory and I couldn't find even a hint of it. For it to he true it needs to be more in one scripture from macabbes.

What's more, even the verse in 2 Maccabees does not tell us that there's any Purgatory, just that some Jews prayed for their dead colleagues.

 

[concretecamper]

So Myself, Foghorn, and GoingByzantine kind of derailed a post. So I started this one. The goal is for GoingByzantine to back up the following using Scripture. Not talking about something a Pope said, or a Priest, but among the Scriptures.

I appreciate GoingByzantine for taking the challenge

Here is my list:

Nuns
Purgatory
Assumption of Mary
Priests living in Celibacy
Latin Mass in a English RC church (when looking at 1 Cor. 14:19)
*Christmas (since I believe Dec. 25th is a Catholic invention, and it was originally outlawed in the USA)
Sprinking
Infant Baptism
Venial and Mortal Sins

I would love GoingByzantine to start with Nuns myself

*Also I understand that many Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) celebrate Christmas. While I do not, please understand I am not attacking Christmas, but I do not see December 25th being the birth of Christ in the Bible.From my studies the birth would be around Sept/Oct area. But I do believe the date (Dec. 25th) was put into place by the Catholics, and it is also the birthday of many pagan gods of the past. Although we must also note that Christmas was origionally outlawed in America, and that had something to do with the Catholics, since it was not allowed until the middle 1800s. more info can be found here: When Americans banned Christmas - The Week *

You have things backwards. Everything in the Bible is consistent with Church Teaching. The bible was never intended to be a complete user's manual. If it was intended so, I will wait patiently for your proof.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I just realized I made a few mistake in my quote, also you're missing a couple of brackets for you quote, lol.

That's great, by having a child baptised, parents are making a covenant with God on raising their child, just as Abraham made a covenant when circumcision was first instituted with Isaac.

Oh yes I did oops, was never good at the snip/bracket thing lol...
yes circumcision for the Israelites was at an early age and circumcision of the heart needs dedication from the adults to instill that in a worthy manner. There's much in the psalms/proverbs about raising children in the way while they are young so that when they're older they won't depart from it.
My own children gave their hearts to God but became very turned off by religion. But I honestly believe that just as the sign of the Jewish religion marks them for life, I still can see the circumcision on their hearts.

 

[Albion]

You have things backwards. Everything in the Bible is consistent with Church Teaching..

"Consistent with?"

Is that supposed to mean "not addressed at all in the Bible but allegedly not in direct conflict with it?"

The question then becomes this: Is it correct to invent doctrines using as the justification for doing so the idea that if it's not in the Bible, "anything goes?"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are correct; but you do realize that the entire Bible was written by Jews, and when you honestly look at Christianity it is very Jewish.

That would depends on one's definition of "Jew"........The RCC is indeed more Jewish in nature than Protestism.....IMHO

The Bible is not a Jewish Book

The statement is commonly made, even by those who should know better, that we Christians owe a debt to the Jews, for we got our Bible and our religion from them. While many people have been deceived into believing this, it is completely false. Part of the mistake comes from the complete confusion in the minds of nearly all people as to just what they mean by Jew. Are they referring to people of a certain race, or referring to a people of a certain religion, for the two are not the same.

First let's consider the claim we got our Bible and our religion from the Jews, as meaning Jews by religion. It is certain we didn't get the New Testament from them, for it condemns the Jewish religion throughout all the New Testament. But did we get the Old Testament from them? No, for several reasons: in the first place, no Jew by religion existed before the return from the Babylonian captivity, shortly after 536 B.C. ........................

Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: ". . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts" (Letter of August 21, 1961).


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[concretecamper]

"Consistent with?"

Is that supposed to mean "not addressed at all in the Bible but allegedly not in direct conflict with it?"

The question then becomes this: Is it correct to invent doctrines using as the justification for doing so the idea that if it's not in the Bible, "anything goes?"

Dodge No 1.....I'll keep count

 

[Albion]

Dodge No 1.....I'll keep count

I was right then?

 

[Foghorn]

So why did you follow the vain philosophy and empty deceptions of Calvin?

Oh, haha, I don't follow Calvin and the hundreds of other reformers. I just agree with him on how he understand God's word. So you understand, Calvinism just distinguishes the way I believe, if you feel better you can call it reformed, it's another name for Calvinism.

No. Did you know that the practice of praying for the dead came from our Jewish heritage? Do you know that even today Jews pray for the dead using prayers that are older than the New Testament?

Honestly, it does not matter who or where it came from. It did not come from Jesus or the apostles, so that settles it. It also doe not prove Purgatory, read your history.

 

[concretecamper]

I was right then?

No...I just do not want to deal with 10 rabbit trails...you can start another thread. I am looking for an answer from the OP. I would like to see how innovative he is with scripture

 

[Foghorn]

They do? Then if you know this then you could provide evidence of this assertion.

Sure, I'll ask the ghost of Christmas past to give you a tour. Good grief, if you don't believe history, I don't know what to tell you.

If you want me to do all the footwork for you, gather you the info and such, I'm sorry, if I can do it, you can do it. Unless it's not important for you, then it wont matter who gets it for you.

No purgatory is a doctrine that comes from Divine Revelation, Sola Fide

No it's not and you cannot prove it is. I already tried to help you, the rest is up to you. You can either believe a lie, or face the facts that your Church has been lying to you and get out.

on the other hand is an example of a man-made doctrine, if you want to know what one looks like.

Yes, Purgatory is a man made fable.

 

[Foghorn]

Using the Jews as a example of praying for the dead is not a good idea. The Jews do not have the fullness of truth in Christ.

That's true.

 

[Foghorn]

Well pedophilia isn't only a single person problem. If only it was that simple. No it is a sickness that crosses many walks of life.

Stop giving it an excuse. It's not a sickness it's an evil, filthy sin!

I can't help but wonder if that sin is allowed not only by the sinners exorcizing it, but mama church as well, how much more must be going on? I think lots.

 

[Albion]

That's true.

Yes. And not to be repetitious, but the most important point probably is that that verse doesn't make a case for Purgatory anyway. We've both pointed that out.

It could be seen in the way that "concretecamper" is recommending, though. That is to say, if it's not explicitly condemned in the Bible, you're free to believe whatever you can imagine.

That doesn't beat the guidance of God's word, if you ask me, but that is another POV that has some followers.

 

[Foghorn]

Didn't do that no body would have nothing to talk about.

Friend, there is a world of difference between bashing and exposing.

IMO exposure must be very uncomfortable.

 

[Foghorn]

You are correct; but you do realize that the entire Bible was written by Jews, and when you honestly look at Christianity it is very Jewish.

Um.....did you read what he said?

 

[Foghorn]

E rose I have searched the OT for Purgatory and I couldn't find even a hint of it. For it to he true it needs to be more in one scripture from macabbes.

For instance Isaiah in the last chapter talks about Hell and where the worm dies not and Jesus quoted that when he taught Hell. He never quoted anything to prove purgatory, in fact I think he would be offended by the idea.

Scripture does not teach Purgatory. Again, it's just a fairy tale.

Where is purgatory in the parable of the wheat and the tares? Just to mention one place where it is not even considered by Jesus.