Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

[BobRyan]

In the case of monks, nuns and priests - both Protestants and Catholics have examples of church members that choose poverty, and or service, and or celibacy in their service to God.

What is "questioned" in these cases is the institution that expels them if they should choose to later marry while still engaging in those same ministries.

I think it is certain that we have no Bible example in favor of that specific practice.

This is why i asked to have the details spelled out as to what exactly is being questioned.

The scandals that result from trying to bind them to obligations vs loss of livelihood when in fact they would be very happy to continue the same ministry only as a married person -- is by now self-evident.

there are married people who are connected with religious orders
they are called tertiaries or members of the third order

I don't object to that -- just the coercion thing.

also, your implications in your last paragraph are extremely ignorant

Aside from you ad hominem insult - where is your response to the facts?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Assumption of Mary

Given that it's a post-biblical event (if it happened) why would you expect it to be in the bible?

If Mary was 100 when she was assumed -- then... maybe post Bible.

But as it is - it appears to be without Bible support.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Foghorn]

My daughter's friends were having their infants baptized and she wanted to have our little one know what faith she belonged to since many different religions attend daycare and preschool. It was decided to have her brought up immersed in books, songs and movies that are scripturally sound so she knows herself where her roots are. She's just 2 years old but already she's loving the stories....Noah's Ark and Joseph are her favorites

Awesome! I pray the Lord will richly bless her with His truths.

And do not believe everything you hear, Calvin never condemned infant baptism. Some people make claims without actually looking to what people actually taught.

also, as you probably already know, God's word does not teach baptismal regeneration. We are saved by faith alone. In Christ alone.

 

[Albion]

Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

This is a list I comprised from the first 40 posts on this thread. I will work on another 40 posts when time allows...........

-Papal Supremacy
-Immaculate Conception
-Infallability of the Pope
-purgatory
-indulgencies
-the Marian dogmas (e.g. Assumption)
-auricular confession and penance
-transubstantiation

That seems like a good and usable listing.

 

[Foghorn]

You have things backwards. Everything in the Bible is consistent with Church Teaching.

Not even close. And we are walking through the many errors and false practices in this thread, sit back, relax and enjoy.

The bible was never intended to be a complete user's manual.

The bible is complete. It is not to be added to, remember the warnings in the book of Revelation?

If it was intended so, I will wait patiently for your proof.

Like I said, sit back and relax, were going on a journey.

 

[concretecamper]

Not even close. And we are walking through the many errors and false practices in this thread, sit back, relax and enjoy.



The bible is complete. It is not to be added to, remember the warnings in the book of Revelation?

Like I said, sit back and relax, were going on a journey.

Dodge No. 2

Still no answer to a simple question...relaxing and waiting

 

[Albion]

Assumption of Mary



If Mary was 100 when she was assumed -- then... maybe post Bible.

But as it is - it appears to be without Bible support.

in Christ,

Bob

I don't think you need to explain. Mary certainly died before the last of the Bible books was written, but even if she did not, there's no reason that the Scriptures couldn't have made some mention of an event of the magnitude ofo the 'Assumption' whether or not it was a future event. The New Testament is simply full of references to events that were yet to happen.

 

[Foghorn]

Yes. And not to be repetitious, but the most important point probably is that that verse doesn't make a case for Purgatory anyway. We've both pointed that out.

Yes.

It could be seen in the way that "concretecamper" is recommending, though. That is to say, if it's not explicitly condemned in the Bible, you're free to believe whatever you can imagine.

That doesn't beat the guidance of God's word, if you ask me, but that is another POV that has some followers.

And that is why they tore themselves away as a Christian church and became apostate. And a fine example of all the cults.

 

[BobRyan]

So Myself, Foghorn, and GoingByzantine kind of derailed a post. So I started this one. The goal is for GoingByzantine to back up the following using Scripture. Not talking about something a Pope said, or a Priest, but among the Scriptures.

I appreciate GoingByzantine for taking the challenge

Here is my list:

Nuns
Purgatory
Assumption of Mary
Priests living in Celibacy
Latin Mass in a English RC church (when looking at 1 Cor. 14:19)
*Christmas (since I believe Dec. 25th is a Catholic invention, and it was originally outlawed in the USA)
Sprinking
Infant Baptism
Venial and Mortal Sins

I have several questions.

1. Given the Catholic opposition to sola scriptura - would it matter to them if these doctrines were not in the Bible?

2. Given the Catholic view of their own magesterium - would it matter to them if the non-Catholics found that Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible?

3. What could be said on this thread that would matter to Catholics when it comes to these doctrines?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Hentenza]

Matt 19:12
because some men are celibate from birth, while some are celibate because they have been made that way by others. Still others are celibate because they have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom from heaven. Let anyone accept this who can."

NASB
2 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

AKJV

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

ASV
12 For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

YLT
12 for there are eunuchs who from the mother's womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive [it] -- let him receive.'

Mmmm...Eunuchs instead of celibate. I think your "Catholic" translation might be a bit biased.

 

[Foghorn]

Dodge No. 2

Still no answer to a simple question...relaxing and waiting

Suppose your the owner of this thread and calling all the shots.

What would you like answered?

 

[Foghorn]

I don't think you need to explain. Mary certainly died before the last of the Bible books was written, but even if she did not, there's no reason that the Scriptures couldn't have made some mention of an event of the magnitude ofo the 'Assumption' whether or not it was a future event. The New Testament is simply full of references to events that were yet to happen.

+2.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't think you need to explain. Mary certainly died before the last of the Bible books was written, but even if she did not, there's no reason that the Scriptures couldn't have made some mention of an event of the magnitude ofo the 'Assumption' whether or not it was a future event. The New Testament is simply full of references to events that were yet to happen.

1. The resurrection of Lazarus - John 11
2. Moses and Elijah on the mt of Transfiguration Matt 17.
3. The virgin birth.
4. Christ walks on the water.
5. Some people with leprosy healed.
6. A fish had some money in its mouth.

You would think that "Mary was the only sinless human apart from Christ and so like Christ she was bodily assumed into heaven" would have made it into that list.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[concretecamper]

Yes.

And that is why they tore themselves away as a Christian church and became apostate. And a fine example of all the cults.

Dodge No 3....geez, you cannot find anywhere in scripture that says we must believe only what is in scripture....relaxing and waiting.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not even close. And we are walking through the many errors and false practices in this thread, sit back, relax and enjoy.

The bible is complete. It is not to be added to, remember the warnings in the book of Revelation?

Like I said, sit back and relax, were going on a journey.

LLoJ pulls up his easy chair with a cold brewski, popcorn and some relaxing music.......

Luk 12:19
And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”'

Enigma - MCMXC a.D. (Full Album) 1990 - YouTube

 

[Foghorn]

You would think that "Mary was the only sinless human apart from Christ and so like Christ she was bodily assumed into heaven" would have made it into that list.

in Christ,

Bob

Oh no doubt!

What a play on emotions, what a landing strip our emotions and senses are for the enemy. The RCC is in such a sad state.

 

[BobRyan]

You have things backwards. Everything in the Bible is consistent with Church Teaching. The bible was never intended to be a complete user's manual. If it was intended so, I will wait patiently for your proof.

Mark 7:6-13 "in vain do they worship Me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men".

I think that sort of problem matters to God and there is no such thing as "nothing can go wrong" in that warning given by Christ.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Foghorn]

Dodge No 3....geez, you cannot find anywhere in scripture that says we must believe only what is in scripture....relaxing and waiting.

Show me where in scripture it teaches we can add to it.

Your question is lacking and vague. Of course we can believe other things but it all comes back to God's word, there it is to be filtered through.

 

[concretecamper]

Show me where in scripture it teaches we can add to it.

Your question is lacking and vague. Of course we can believe other things but it all comes back to God's word, there it is to be filtered through.

My question is specific...you are vague...and for good reason. Point proved. Good night and God Bless.

 

[Foghorn]

My question is specific...you are vague...and for good reason. Point proved. Good night and God Bless.

Ok, run off now.

(Denial) Dodge #1