Catholic Teachings.... Backed by Scripture??

[Hentenza]

Dodge No 3....geez, you cannot find anywhere in scripture that says we must believe only what is in scripture....relaxing and waiting.

So why the Catholic preoccupation with making the claim that all of the Catholic church's teachings are biblical? It would seem to me that if you and church think that doctrines can come from outside of scripture then it should not matter if they can be defended with scripture, right?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dodge No 3....geez, you cannot find anywhere in scripture that says we must believe only what is in scripture....relaxing and waiting.

We can discuss that on the thread listed below. Relaxing and waiting......

1 Corinth 4:
6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers,a that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.
7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7547378/
Solo Scriptura and Sola Scriptura...is there a difference?

"According to Keith Mathison, over the last one hundred and fifty years Evangelicalism has replaced sola scriptura, according to which Scripture is the only infallible ecclesial authority, with solo scriptura, the notion that Scripture is the only ecclesial authority.
The direct implication of solo scriptura is that each person is his own ultimate interpretive authority.

Solo scriptura is, according to Mathison, an unbiblical position;
proponents of sola scriptura should uphold the claim that Scripture is the only infallible authority, but should repudiate any position according to which individual Christians are the ultimate arbiters of Scriptural truth. In this article we argue that there is no principled difference between sola scriptura and solo scriptura with respect to the holder of ultimate interpretive authority, and that a return to apostolic succession is the only way to avoid the untoward consequences to which both solo scriptura and sola scriptura lead."

Solo Scriptura, Sola Scriptura, and the Question of Interpretive Authority | Called to Communion

Read and discuss!

 

[GoingByzantine]

Lol. Yes, bro, enjoy. The enemy is going to be exposed here. Be prepared though, he will become very upset and his followers will be provoked to anger as well.

Popcorn?

So Catholics are now "the enemy"?

This whole thread was supposed to be about Catholics and Scripture, no? All I see is excessive pride spewing from every direction.

 

[Lady Bug]

So why the Catholic preoccupation with making the claim that all of the Catholic church's teachings are biblical? It would seem to me that if you and church think that doctrines can come from outside of scripture then it should not matter if they can be defended with scripture, right?

I think that the preoccupation lies in refuting non-Catholic claims that Catholic teachings (well some of them) cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

I am sure that some Evangelical churches are guilty of teaching things not in the Bible too, but unfortunately I'm not able to give examples off the bat. They claim though to be Bible-based. I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just saying.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by concretecamper

You have things backwards. Everything in the Bible is consistent with Church Teaching. The bible was never intended to be a complete user's manual. If it was intended so, I will wait patiently for your proof.
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Mark 7:6-13 "in vain do they worship Me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men".

I think that sort of problem matters to God and there is no such thing as "nothing can go wrong" in that warning given by Christ.

in Christ,

Bob

I knew it wouldn't take long for the sabbatarian anti-Sunday SDA crowd to show up.
Get ready for a smokin' hot thread now!


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[GoingByzantine]

I think that the preoccupation lies in refuting non-Catholic claims that Catholic teachings (well some of them) cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

I am sure that some Evangelical churches are guilty of teaching things not in the Bible too, but unfortunately I'm not able to give examples off the bat. They claim though to be Bible-based. I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just saying.

I can tell you one, Sola Scriptura.

Of course that battle has been hashed out too many times, I bet LLOJ could pull some meaningful quotes for us.

 

[Foghorn]

So Catholics are now "the enemy"?

This whole thread was supposed to be about Catholics and Scripture, no? All I see is excessive pride spewing from every direction.

Well honestly, certain doctrines are of the enemy, which many RC's follow blindly.

For example, Purgatory is not supported in scripture. It came from paganism, it didn't even become a practice in the church until the third century. It all very plain in the history of the church. So, honestly, why in the world would anyone who claims to be a believer in Christ follow such a doctrine? Especially when it robs the glory from Christ and diminishes the power in His precious blood? Cant you see?

You though, seem to me a level headed person, which I admire. I see a gentleness about you.

I pray the Lord will richly bless you with His truths.

 

[Foghorn]

I am sure that some Evangelical churches are guilty of teaching things not in the Bible too, but unfortunately I'm not able to give examples off the bat. They claim though to be Bible-based. I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just saying.

I agree, for one example, the invitation system is very misleading and not found in scripture. But that is for a different thread.

 

[GoingByzantine]

I am somewhat disappointed with direction of this thread, last I knew we were talking about nuns but it went crazy since.

It would be nice to focus on what one at a time, imo.

 

[Foghorn]

I can tell you one, Sola Scriptura.

You have been led to believe that. Since it has been discussed before, you should have a lot of into and scripture. But again, that is also for another thread.

 

[Foghorn]

I am somewhat disappointed with direction of this thread, last I knew we were talking about nuns but it went crazy since.

It would be nice to focus on what issue at a time, imo.

Yes, I agree. You're right.

Nuns it is.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Lady Bug

I think that the preoccupation lies in refuting non-Catholic claims that Catholic teachings (well some of them) cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

I am sure that some Evangelical churches are guilty of teaching things not in the Bible too, but unfortunately I'm not able to give examples off the bat. They claim though to be Bible-based.
I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just saying.
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No offense taken.
You can probably find some examples on this other thread.
One of the longest running threads on GT!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7291830-120/
Protestant errors and inventions

These errors and inventions are not Biblcal and are not part of historic Christianity.

Total Depravity of Man
Enthroning the Bible in your Heart
Ask Jesus into Your Heart
The Rapture
Altar Call
Eternal Security
"Once Saved Always Saved"
Sola Fide - Salvation by "Faith Alone"
Sola Scriptura - "Bible Alone

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[Lady Bug]

well the Evangelical teaching of how you have to be content with God before you are granted a spouse is so not in the Bible that the next time someone says it to me in real life I will literally tell them don't be an idiot. But I don't want to start a new topic

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Awesome! I pray the Lord will richly bless her with His truths.

And do not believe everything you hear, Calvin never condemned infant baptism. Some people make claims without actually looking to what people actually taught.

also, as you probably already know, God's word does not teach baptismal regeneration. We are saved by faith alone. In Christ alone.

Thank you.
Her heart has been already richly blessed in her learnings from various means. My daughter's decision was based on giving her daughter teachings from scripture rather than a traditional ceremony. I'm so happy for the biblical stories that are already becoming part of her family heritage.

 

[ebia]

So Catholics are now "the enemy"? This whole thread was supposed to be about Catholics and Scripture, no? All I see is excessive pride spewing from every direction.

"Foghorn took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the Catholics..."

 

[MoreCoffee]

well the Evangelical teaching of how you have to be content with God before you are granted a spouse is so not in the Bible that the next time someone says it to me in real life I will literally tell them don't be an idiot. But I don't want to start a new topic

Your nickname's subtitle "kittens go to heaven" is not in the bible

 

[Foghorn]

"Foghorn took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the Catholics..."

I did? Are you a mind reader now?

I never said or would say any such thing.

Looks like I ruffled your feathers a bit huh?

Lets be fair and honest with eachother?

Thanks.

 

[ebia]

I did? Are you a mind reader now? I never said or would say any such thing. Looks like I ruffled your feathers a bit huh? Lets be fair and honest with eachother? Thanks.

Never heard a parable before?

 

[Lady Bug]

Your nickname's subtitle "kittens go to heaven" is not in the bible

ha that's a good one. I don't care though I'm keeping it

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Foghorn took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the Catholics..."

Now that is rich!

Luke 18:
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee[RC] and the other a tax collector[Protestant].
11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

http://www.christianforums.com/t5445935-10/#post35263889
For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees!

For the love of all that is holy people, drop the bigotry and villianizations!

Our Lord's critique of the Pharisees was based on a view of the law that lacked any attention to the intentions behind our good deeds, and their ethnocentric form of Judaism that strictly seperated Jews and Gentiles- something highly inappropriate and indeed damning in the new era.

That is not what Catholics do! Haven't you ever read St. Thomas Aquinas? Do you even know what he is? According to Catholic doctrine, derived from the Scriptures, good works that lack right intentions are worthless.

Or do you just wish to villianize Christian traditions that practice formal liturgies in their worship and sacramental forms of piety because you don't understand them and think they're just 'going through the motions'?

I wonder how many evangelicals are just 'going through the motions' when they 'give the Lord a big round of applause' or clap their hands to upbeat worship music.

Seriously, I find that whole line of argument highly offense.