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Originally Posted by Foghorn
And if they take all to the word as the Bereans did, I agree. If they take it to human wisdom and ideas, I reject it.
You?
We have learned from none others the plan of salvation, then from those through whom the gospel has comedown to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith... Irenaeus.
And just what were they trying to disprove Paul's teaching with? What was the authority, scripture? Tradition? Popes? ???
I see v:16 wrapping it up. Is there something which stands out to you that you would like to discuss?
Ok,have a good night, ttyl .That is Irenaues not Ignatius, though Irenaeus was also a inheritor of knowledge through Polycarp, who was taught by John the Apostle. Look what else Irenaues had to say:
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
Irenaeus was a supporter of the Catholic Church, teaching that it should have "preeminent authority". I have to sleep now, you have a good night.
Since all I have to go on is "Nuns", it would help if someone could explain what exactly the problem is which they have with "Nuns".
lol we should use that quote in the other thread too
Toss it in to the mix for me.
I do want to say, you have brought this discussion to a new level. Now we will see the many disagreements amongst the ECF's on these subjects.That is Irenaues not Ignatius, though Irenaeus was also a inheritor of knowledge through Polycarp, who was taught by John the Apostle. Look what else Irenaues had to say:
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
Irenaeus was a supporter of the Catholic Church, teaching that it should have "preeminent authority". I have to sleep now, you have a good night.
