cat abortion

[MariaRegina]

Re: Animals

The death by euthanasia of older or diseased animals is different from killing the unborn animals by abortion.

Yes, I have witnessed euthanizing of adult animals -- it is quick and seemingly not too painful.

I have also seen a lot of female cats suffer a lot of pain and operations due to cancer and I always wondered if the abortions they were forced to undergo as part of the spay/neuter program caused the cancer. It could have, as there is a connection between abortion and breast cancer in animals and humans.

 

[Michael G]

Re: Animals

The death by euthanasia of older or diseased animals is different from killing the unborn animals by abortion.

Yes, I have witnessed euthanizing of adult animals -- it is quick and seemingly not too painful.

I have also seen a lot of female cats suffer a lot of pain and operations due to cancer and I always wondered if the abortions they were forced to undergo as part of the spay/neuter program caused the cancer. It could have, as there is a connection between abortion and breast cancer in animals and humans.

Aria,
There is nothing inherently immoral about ending the life of an unborn animal as long as it is not done out of malice. I am sorry, but ending the life of an unborn animal is not on anything close to the same level as aborting a human life.
Michael

 

[MariaRegina]

Aria,
There is nothing inherently immoral about ending the life of an unborn animal as long as it is not done out of malice. I am sorry, but ending the life of an unborn animal is not on anything close to the same level as aborting a human life.
Michael

Michael, please read my post.

I didn't say that there was anything inherently immoral.

It is just that abortion has side effects. One of the side effects of abortion is that the female has an increased risk of breast cancer whether animal or human.





Sheesh!

What would Father do in 17th century Russia?

Is outrage!

 

[Shubunkin]

That's nothing. My hubby says my cats are from hell. When one of them years ago tried to crawl into our fireplace, with fire going in it, and I pulled him out before he got too far inside. Hubby said, "He was homesick."

 

[Michael G]

Michael, please read my post.

I didn't say that there was anything inherently immoral.

It is just that abortion has side effects. One of the side effects of abortion is that the female has an increased risk of breast cancer whether animal or human.





Sheesh!

What would Father do in 17th century Russia?

Is outrage!

Fr. Vasily would ask why anyone is even so concerned with the life of something that does not have an immortal soul, and would say all of the environmentalist nonsense that goes on in this country is PURE OUTRAGE!

 

[MariaRegina]

That's nothing. My hubby says my cats are from hell. When one of them years ago tried to crawl into our fireplace, with fire going in it, and I pulled him out before he got too far inside. Hubby said, "He was homesick."

That is too funny.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Fr. Vasily would ask why anyone is even so concerned with the life of something that does not have an immortal soul, and would say all of the environmentalist nonsense that goes on in this country is PURE OUTRAGE!

I agree on the environmentalist thing but looking at the lives of many Saints and Elders, it's clear that they don't share your complete disregard for the lives of animals. Wasn't it Elder Porphyrios who castigated a visitor for killing a snake while on the way to the Elder's cell? Sure, we can kill and eat animals and it may even fall to us as a duty to put down a suffering or dangerous animal but they are part of creation and are to be treated with care and love as is all of creation.

And just to clarify so you will not misunderstand me, I am in no way equating the value of an animal's life with a human life.

 

[Michael G]

I agree on the environmentalist thing but looking at the lives of many Saints and Elders, it's clear that they don't share your complete disregard for the lives of animals. Wasn't it Elder Porphyrios who castigated a visitor for killing a snake while on the way to the Elder's cell? Sure, we can kill and eat animals and it may even fall to us as a duty to put down a suffering or dangerous animal but they are part of creation and are to be treated with care and love as is all of creation.

And just to clarify so you will not misunderstand me, I am in no way equating the value of an animal's life with a human life.

I do not have a complete disregard for the lives of animals. I have no clue where you get that from. I have made it clear that killing animals out of malice is evil. However, taking the life of an animal for food purposes, or for the leather it produces or when medically necessary is not evil. Never did I say anything that would give you the impression that I feel creation is to be treated with anything less than respect. However, I am greatly offended by those who worship nature and yet deny the very being of the God who created it all.

 

[MariaRegina]

And just to clarify so you will not misunderstand me, I am in no way equating the value of an animal's life with a human life.

I also agree with you, Seraphim.

And so aptly named after St. Seraphim of Sarov, who used to feed the mosquitos by exposing his back, and he also befriended a bear.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I do not have a complete disregard for the lives of animals. I have no clue where you get that from. I have made it clear that killing animals out of malice is evil. However, taking the life of an animal for food purposes, or for the leather it produces or when medically necessary is not evil. Never did I say anything that would give you the impression that I feel creation is to be treated with anything less than respect. However, I am greatly offended by those who worship nature and yet deny the very being of the God who created it all.

Maybe I just misunderstood your vehemence. Forgive me.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I also agree with you, Seraphim.

And so aptly named after St. Seraphim of Sarov, who used to feed the mosquitos by exposing his back, and he also befriended a bear.

I have no problem spraying/baiting ants, roaches or wasps around the house but I often will work around bugs at work to avoid killing them needlessly. It's pretty ironic considering some of the horrible things I've done to animals in the past. I used to be a very cruel person and I have no doubts that had I not become a Christian, I would have taken human life by now.

Please pray for me.

 

[MariaRegina]

Yes, I will kill a black widow immediately, but I spare the life of the funny spitter spider with its long legs, because it is known for eating black widows.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

When we lived in rural AL, I once watched a king snake crawl into the wall underneath my bedroom window during an unseasonably warm winter. It was probably 4 feet long and had been in the area for 2 or 3 years. I never saw another snake on the property during that time and while it was in the house, I never heard a mouse scratching in the walls.

 

[MariaRegina]

You had a snake in your house?

Wow!

I could use one.

The other night there was such a racket with the pitter patter of rats like something was chasing them. Maybe it was a king snake after all. Something was causing them to scramble for their lives and make a distressed squeak sound. NOT A SOUND NOW.

Whew!

 

[Michael G]

Maybe I just misunderstood your vehemence. Forgive me.

I am not being vehement at all. I am simply making the point that animals are animals and humans are human, and there is a clear distinction between the two. Please next time don't jump to conclusions before you accuse and point fingers.

I have said too much in this thread and it is time for me to go back to my silence.

 

[choirfiend]

Vehemence is a cool word.

I live with spiders. I don't particularly like them, but I'm willing to let them hang around as long as they're not biting me.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I am not being vehement at all. I am simply making the point that animals are animals and humans are human, and there is a clear distinction between the two. Please next time don't jump to conclusions before you accuse and point fingers.

ve·he·ment

1.zealous; ardent; impassioned

Your posts in this thread clearly demonstrate vehemence. It's not an ugly word so please don't take offense as none was intended when I used it.

As for that last part, I find it very ironic. You frequently misunderstand, jump to conclusions and point fingers so please don't take too much exception when others do it.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

there are people on this thread equating killing animals with killing of humans and they are 2 totally different subjects.

I missed the post where someone equated killing animals with killing humans, please point it out.

 

[Thekla]

My Pappou would catch flies and release them outside.

 

[kamikat]

Re: Animals

The death by euthanasia of older or diseased animals is different from killing the unborn animals by abortion.

Yes, I have witnessed euthanizing of adult animals -- it is quick and seemingly not too painful.

I have also seen a lot of female cats suffer a lot of pain and operations due to cancer and I always wondered if the abortions they were forced to undergo as part of the spay/neuter program caused the cancer. It could have, as there is a connection between abortion and breast cancer in animals and humans.

However, if the birth of the kittens causes medical damage to the momma or even kills the momma, in the case of a young cat getting pregnant on her first heat, which is more important, the life of the kittens or the life of the momma when you know it could have been prevented. No, abortions do not cause cancer in cats. Once the cat has been spayed, it no longer produces estrogen, which is what feeds breast cancer. If the animal has the genes for breast cancer, nothing we do or not do will prevent the cancer. I worked as a vet tech for 4 years. I never once saw a case of breast cancer in a dog or cat that had been spayed.