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Casting Out Demons and the Name of Jesus

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Okies. Here's my little intro post, and then my little opinion ;)

Please, nobody post that doesn't even believe in angels and demons ;)

Ok then, my opinion.

I do not think we have the power to cast out demons, in any way. That gift was given to the apostles (along with drinking poison - I don't hear too much about people doing that...). And certainly, it's not the word Jesus that has any power. I can yell out Jesus in any language I want, what good will it do? It's a phonetic combination used as a name.

I could CALL upon the name of Jesus. Meaning, I could PRAY to Jesus. And, that is what I would do, too. That's our spiritual weapon, if you will. Prayer :)

We ourselves have no power over demons.

/me waits around for Force to reply. ;)
 

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Originally posted by paulewog
Okies. Here's my little intro post, and then my little opinion ;)

Please, nobody post that doesn't even believe in angels and demons ;)

Ok then, my opinion.

I do not think we have the power to cast out demons, in any way. That gift was given to the apostles (along with drinking poison - I don't hear too much about people doing that...). And certainly, it's not the word Jesus that has any power. I can yell out Jesus in any language I want, what good will it do? It's a phonetic combination used as a name.

I could CALL upon the name of Jesus. Meaning, I could PRAY to Jesus. And, that is what I would do, too. That's our spiritual weapon, if you will. Prayer :)

We ourselves have no power over demons.

/me waits around for Force to reply. ;)

Well paulewog,

Since I attend a church that fairly regularly casts out demons, I would have to disagree with you. :)

The power behind the Name comes with the authority of the person using the Name. One must be walking in the authority and power of God in order to cast them out.

I think it was the seven sons of Skeva, who, when they tried to cast out a demon in the name of Jesus whom Paul preached, the demons looked at them and said, "Paul we know, Jesus we know, but Who are you?" And the demons proceded to beat them up and sent them running naked.

One of the pastors in my church, has an anointing in casting out demons and frequently is verbally attacked by people who are demonized. One time he and another brother was just standing in line at a Subway, and the women in front of turned around and growled at him.

The demon (not the woman) told him, "I know who you are, you leave us alone." He said, "demon shut up, I'm gonna ask this woman if she wants to be free and if she says yes, your comin' out". Nelson proceded to ask the women if she wanted to be free. The whole Subway shop was silent. Through clenched teeth she said, NO. So Nelson, calmly said, "then get out of my face". The woman ran out the door.

When a group from our church went to Niceragua, and were laying hands on people, demons began to manifest and were crying out in English for our team to leave them along. They were speaking through people who spoke only Spanish. These people wanted to be free so our team layed hands on them and cast the demoms out.

I've seen, with my own eyes, too many people set free from these things. I know we have the authority to cast them out. I've done it.
 
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Hey Paulewog sorry it took so long been gone and busy.  Only have time for a short one. :wave:

A little cut and paste from my other post.

ACTS Chapter 16 Verses 16-18

16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her.

See this clearly shows how powerful Jesus' name can be. 

The story I was talking about in the other thread (the one that Quaffer metioned) they could not cast out demons because   their hearts were in the wrong place and they were doing it for the wrong reasons.

What are verses that say you cant?

And also you are right you should be praying all the while but through Jesus' name much authority lies.  To speak it as a "prayer" as you say is that you are rebuking the spirit in the NAME of Jesus.  You are commanding it be driven out!

I also know of many people who were delivered from spirits.  You do agree in the spiritual realm so I dont see how you have a problem with this? :scratch:
 
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Wow cool testimonies Quaffer! I just finished reading Kenneth E Hagin's book the Triumphant Church. He shares his 60 years of experience on this topic, and talks abt the real stuff and the extremes -- like bringing paper bags to vomit or cough up demons.

What do you think of the paper bag thing. I have a friend who just attended an apostolic course. one of their deliverance sessions had this paper bag thing for vomiting out demons. I think this is one extreme.

what your pastor did was right too. Bro Hagin said that if the person does not want to be delivered (ie he wants to keep the demon), there's nothing you can do for him, unless there's a special unction of the the Holy Spirit to cast it out (as when Paul cast the demond out of the female fortune teller).
 
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/me will post verses later, he is going to bed soon... he forgot about this thread :D

I also know of many people who were delivered from spirits. You do agree in the spiritual realm so I dont see how you have a problem with this?

I did not say God could not do something like that. :)

Alright, my one question for the moment is ..... in the Bible, why were demons cast out?

And why are demons cast out today?

In the Bible,

Furthermore, I believe the ONLY people that had the authority, in the Bible, to cast out demons... the gift, the authority, etc... were the 12 disciples and the apostles Paul. I don't remember there ever being recorded another given that gift. :)

/me won't get into this topic too much, because it would be too hard ... nigh unto impossible ... without getting into ALL of the apostolic gifts, as well as tongues and prophecy and such. :)
 
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"I believe the ONLY people that had the authority, in the Bible, to cast out demons... the gift, the authority, etc... were the 12 disciples and the apostles Paul. I don't remember there ever being recorded another given that gift."

Lu 10:17
And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Wow cool testimonies Quaffer! I just finished reading Kenneth E Hagin's book the Triumphant Church. He shares his 60 years of experience on this topic, and talks abt the real stuff and the extremes -- like bringing paper bags to vomit or cough up demons.

What do you think of the paper bag thing. I have a friend who just attended an apostolic course. one of their deliverance sessions had this paper bag thing for vomiting out demons. I think this is one extreme.

what your pastor did was right too. Bro Hagin said that if the person does not want to be delivered (ie he wants to keep the demon), there's nothing you can do for him, unless there's a special unction of the the Holy Spirit to cast it out (as when Paul cast the demond out of the female fortune teller).

 

Hey Andrew,

Luke 10:17 was exactly the verse I was going for too. :)  

From a spectator standpoint I suppose vomit bags do appear extreme.  But when you've been there, and the person starts vomiting, you learn the hard way to be prepared.  :D

The scripture tells us that when a demon is cast out it goes about looking for another place to take up residense.  If it comes back to its previous host and it finds the house clean but empty, then it will return to that house along with 7 other demons. 

So, to cast out a demon when the person does not want to receive Jesus as Lord would be to bring greater distruction on to that person.  The woman made it clear she did not want to be free so Nelson left her as she was.

As to paulewog's question as to why were demons cast out in the Bible and why now.  The answer would be "because the demonized person wanted to be free.  Jesus sets them free.  Then and now.
 
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Thanks Quaffie.

I've never seen a demonised man (other than 'priests' performing strange rituals) but my wife has when she was little. It really freaked her out. The man started to writhing on the floor like a snake. She wondered how a human body could twist and move like that!

My Pastor did relate his experiences in casting out demons with his assoc Pastor when he was much newer in the ministry. He said sometimes a male voice wld come out of a woman. and that sometimes, when the demon came out, the whole room just filled up with a strong stench. He also said they cldnt stand the mention of Jesus' blood and wld scream everytime he mentioned the Blood of Jesus.

BTW, if I do encounter a demonised person what shld I do? Walk away if there's no unction to cast it out? Ask the man for permission? Call my care grp leader? what wld you do?
 
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Jesus said that we would do the things he had been doing - and these real-life examples of today are proof that Jesus did not only mean the Twelve!

What has changed between then and now? There are still demons, there are still people who want to be free from them. Why should we christians of today be helpless in the face of them? more than ever we need the authority and power of Jesus to work through us when this world's evil grows continually!

If you believe that all this ceased with the passing of the Twelve you may as well believe the whole New Testament died with them. I hope that wasn't too blunt but you get my point.

blessings,
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Thanks Quaffie.

I've never seen a demonised man (other than 'priests' performing strange rituals) but my wife has when she was little. It really freaked her out. The man started to writhing on the floor like a snake. She wondered how a human body could twist and move like that!

My Pastor did relate his experiences in casting out demons with his assoc Pastor when he was much newer in the ministry. He said sometimes a male voice wld come out of a woman. and that sometimes, when the demon came out, the whole room just filled up with a strong stench. He also said they cldnt stand the mention of Jesus' blood and wld scream everytime he mentioned the Blood of Jesus.

BTW, if I do encounter a demonised person what shld I do? Walk away if there's no unction to cast it out? Ask the man for permission? Call my care grp leader? what wld you do?

 

Andrew,

Well, uh, I'd pray :D

You most likely come across demonized people every day, the demons just do not manifest. Or they manifest in ways that some do not percieve as demonic.

The first time that I can remember coming in contact with a demonized person was on a public bus. A homeless women would get on and normally just acted weird. But one day, a very different masculine voice came out of her mouth. I don't remember what it said, but I sat there in fear. Silently praying in tongues and hoping she would not come near me.   :)

The first thing to remember is "do not fear". As a born again believer, you have the authority. Most of the time, unless it manifests in a way that you have to take care of it, I would not do anything but pray. I would never suggest attempting to cast it out alone, especially, if you've never done it before. You can rebuke it though.

In the book "I just Saw Jesus" by Paul Eschelman of Campus Crusade for Christ tells of one of their video teams who had gone into a foreign country (I don't remember which one) to show the Jesus film.

The team was put up for the night in the local Buddist Temple. The villigers understood this temple to be "haunted" and no one had ever emerged alive after spending the night there. The Campus Crusade team did not know this.

Most of them believed that this kind of stuff did not happen anymore. But when the noises woke them in the night and demons manifested in physical form they soon changed their opinion.

One of the team said, "well, lets do what we see Jesus do in the film.". They prayed, rebuking the spirits and commanding them to leave. Then they went to sleep and slept undisturbed for the rest of the night. When the villigers saw them coming out in the morning they were amazed and wanted to know about this Jesus who had protected the Jesus Film team.

Jesse Duplintis tells a funny story about when the Lord told him to cast out a demon while he was travelling on an airplaine. I believe it's on his video/tape "Laughter Doeth Good Like A Medicine".

I don't remember what is was the woman was doing but Jesse knew it was a demon. When the Lord told him to cast it out Jesse said, "but Lord, there's too many people around. People will be scared if I start yelling at it". God said, "you don't have to speak directly to it" So Jesse sat down in his seat, a few rows in front of the woman and began, under his breath to rebuke it. It's really funny the way he tells it and the demon fled.

In church we don't usually address them unless the person begins to manifest. At that point, depending upon the manifestation we will usually move them to another room so the congregation does not see it. Some demons hold on tighter than others and can make quite a scene when being forced to vacate their host.

Anyway Andrew, I'm not an expert on this subject. I can share only what I myself have read or experienced.

I've found that just the presence of a born again, spirit filled, and walking in their authority believer will stirr the demons while just walking down the street. Not all manifest in big ways.

One time I was talking with a few people outside my apartment. A couple friends of theirs joined us. As we talked, I noticed that one of the men kept looking at me in a fearful way. He began to fidgit and could not stand still. All the while glancing back and forth at me as we talked. After several minutes of this, out of my mouth came the words, "am I making you nervous?". I'm not usually that bold. He stiffend up and blurted out "Yes!" And then walked away.  :angel:

Personally, I believe that was a demon and my presence made it nervous. I've experienced that a few times but never had I addressed before.

Just this last Sunday, we had several people come forward to accept Jesus. One of the pastors called me up to take one of the women aside and pray for her and get information for followup. As I was talking with her, she could not sit still. She was rocking back and forth, side to side and would not look me in the eyes.

I knew it was demonic and just kept talking to her. At one point she stopped, looked at me and said, "why are you looking at me like that?" Then one of the pastors came up (Nelson) and I told him her name and shared a little about what she had told me. He recognized what was happening too and I was grateful that he had come over.   He's the experienced one.   :rolleyes:

He asked her if she wanted to be free from the things that were tormenting her. She said yes, but yet would not pray with us. So, we had to let her go. As one of the other pastors said, "she just was not ready yet to give it up".

Every born again child of God has the authority. The demons will lie to you and tell you, you don't but their liars and God is not. Mark 16:17 says, "And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; (amplified).

It's pretty clear that Jesus' name carries a lot of weight when spoken by those who are believers.

Hope this helps someone.  If one wants to know more, just start attending a church that does it and you'll learn . . . :D
 
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thanks Quaffie for the advice! I guess you deal with them only when the demonised person wants to be delivered and gives you permission to. Or if the demon is encroaching into your territory and space and wants to harm you, then you have the right to rebuke it. Otherwise, I wldnt go around 'looking' for trouble!

Shalom!
 
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/me will correct himself and say that the seventy did also ;)

/me doesn't think we will literally do greater, as in power, things than Jesus... rather, greater in scope. (So tell me, have any of us ever done something greater than dieing for the world's sins? ;))

/me actually does not believe that God speaks to us in at all an audible voice, nor does He show Himself.

/me wonders about the people that heard the voice of God or saw Jesus or something like that. The reponse everyone gave in the Bible was to fall down in fear/awe/worship.... :)
 
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/me has heard that word before and thinks that that does describe him actually, yes. :)

Ok. Miracles then. Have we raised many dead? :)

(by the way, I rather do think Jesus's death, burial, and ressurrection was miraculous....)
 
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You haven't read enough revival accounts - there are many accounts of people being reaised from the dead, healed of their blindess, deafness, crippled legs, delivered from demons, etc. It's in almost every revival throughout church history and even in non-revival times.

Where does it say in the bible that miraclous gifts have ceased? You may as well say the teaching of the bible is no longer relevant once the apostles died.
 
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/me is trying not to get into ALL the spiritual gifts :)

/me wonders where we WERE told to do all these things?

/me thought the point of these were to verify the Gospel. But the Gospel was already verified. We have an account of it... the Bible.

/me has read about revivals (Benny Hinn, etc), but not many medical reports.
 
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Originally posted by paulewog
/me is trying not to get into ALL the spiritual gifts :)

/me wonders where we WERE told to do all these things?

/me thought the point of these were to verify the Gospel. But the Gospel was already verified. We have an account of it... the Bible.

/me has read about revivals (Benny Hinn, etc), but not many medical reports.

Someone else already mentioned from john 14:11-14 that Jesus said we will do the things he did, and that we will do greater things than he. he mentioned this in relation to himself being the evidence that he who has seen Jesus has seen the father. And when Jesus goes that the Spirit will be in us to do these things too.

Where does it say we were not to? The idea that the gifts have ceased because the canon was completed is a man-made idea that has no validity in the scriptures.

Paul (not yourself) says in 1 Corinthians 14:26 that these gifts were also to be used for the edifying and encouragement of the church. We still need THAT today! :)

Some people do abuse spiritual gifts but these usually overshadow the many many other accounts of gifts that have been used according to the bible. Don't be misled by what the news sensationalizes or what cessationist church people spread as rumours or distorted accounts. Dig a little and ignore the fear-based hype that is the source of these misleading accounts.

Someone speaks in a tongue, and people who haven't been taught about it go and spread stories about people doing voodoo or going into a demonized trance and everyone else stays away. There's a big baby in this bathwater, mate.

cheers,
 
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hehe ok, Mr. Andrew =) none taken whatsoever

Someone else already mentioned from john 14:11-14 that Jesus said we will do the things he did, and that we will do greater things than he. he mentioned this in relation to himself being the evidence that he who has seen Jesus has seen the father. And when Jesus goes that the Spirit will be in us to do these things too.

And what was the Great Commission? "Go forth and heal, speak in tongues, and perform miracles." ? : ) God has the power to do miracles, I am not denying any of that. Although I kinda doubt there have been any raisings of the dead since the 1st century, I do believe there have been some miraculous healings.... hmmmm I may as well clarify exactly what I think about these gifts that are in so much debate, hehe.

Tongues: used to verify the Gospel (a "sign" gift); not given anymore.
Healing: same as above ... as a gift - God can still heal, of course. And does.
Raising of dead: same as above.
Hm, I think those are the 3 main ones. I can't think of... oh yeah
Prophecy: same as above, hehe :)

Where does it say we were not to? The idea that the gifts have ceased because the canon was completed is a man-made idea that has no validity in the scriptures.

Oh? Well of course it does not say in John that, "And the canon will be completed and these gifts will not be given anymore." You're right, it's not that obvious. hehe. However, those gifts were given for what purpose?

Paul (not yourself) says in 1 Corinthians 14:26 that these gifts were also to be used for the edifying and encouragement of the church. We still need THAT today!

Yes. Well I would consider verifying the gospel part of encouragement. :) Read verse 22 of the same chapter, by the way.

Some people do abuse spiritual gifts but these usually overshadow the many many other accounts of gifts that have been used according to the bible. Don't be misled by what the news sensationalizes or what cessationist church people spread as rumours or distorted accounts. Dig a little and ignore the fear-based hype that is the source of these misleading accounts.

Actually, I rely on scripture more than any accounts. :) If you'd like, I will type up what one commentary says. Pastor John MacArthur explains it MUCH better than I can. Biblical references and all... last time I did that though people complained about me quoting someone instead of speaking for myself ;) (that was a while ago)

Someone speaks in a tongue, and people who haven't been taught about it go and spread stories about people doing voodoo or going into a demonized trance and everyone else stays away. There's a big baby in this bathwater, mate.

Actually, the Biblical gift of tongues were languages, not babbling or something like that.... ugh, another different thread ;) hehe... back to the main topic...

I have a question - is (or was) casting out demons a gift to only um, the people given the gift, or is it given to all believers?
 
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Before we even discuss what the 9 supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit really are perhaps we should first settle the question of whether these gifts are for the church today.

So state the scripture(s) where you believe it says the 9 gifts died out with the apostles or with the completion of the Bible or whatever.... Let's not go by what we 'think' or who said what or who had what experience.

then lets tackle these verses one by one. :)
 
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