Canabis ect.

[Cerberus~]

According to W.E. Vine’s expository dictionary of New Testament Words (page 1074), the word SORCERY comes from a Greek word, PHARMAKIA - used as a noun, it “signifies a sorcerer,” one who uses drugs, potions, spells, enchantments, as in Rev. 21:8.

Use how? Use on themselves? Use on others? Use on animals? I don't think you'ld much arguement about the immorality of druging other ppl with their knowledge or consent.

Not to mention it makes no mention of the intent of use.

I sopose this would relate to man made drugs not natural.

Yes, because all those meth labs in the times of Jesus were a real problem. All they had were plants, they had no concept of modern drugs. They didn't have coke, and heroin, and X, and PCP and all these other chemical drugs.

 

[Cerberus~]

I just noticed something. You're giving us the definition of an english word. The Bible wasn't written in English, or Greek. It was written in Hebrew. Lets hear that verse in Hebrew.

 

[Beastt]

Drugs have a Proven Connection with Sorcery and Witchcraft

Before one can make a credible claim of a connection between sorcery, witchcraft and drugs, one must first prove that sorcery and witchcraft exist. Obviously, drugs exist. As for the others, where is the proof?

 

[Andrea77]

I just noticed something. You're giving us the definition of an english word. The Bible wasn't written in English, or Greek. It was written in Hebrew. Lets hear that verse in Hebrew.

The old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek.

Pharmakia is taken straight from the Greek New Testament and translates in English as Sorcery.

 

[Andrea77]

Before one can make a credible claim of a connection between sorcery, witchcraft and drugs, one must first prove that sorcery and witchcraft exist. Obviously, drugs exist. As for the others, where is the proof?

Wicca is now classed has a religion they have shops and even websites were you can join.

Wicca is basicaly witchcraft.

 

[Cerberus~]

The old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek.

Pharmakia is taken straight from the Greek New Testament.

Awww. That explains why I all I kept getting in Strong's was the Greek word.

But still, Strong defined it as "someone who uses magical remedies". That doesn't sound like any druggies I know.

 

[Cerberus~]

Wicca is now classed has a religion they have shops and even websites were you can join.

Wicca is basicaly witchcraft.

Mordern day Wicca is much different than witchcraft. Few Wiccans actually claim to use magic.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Andrea77]

Awww. That explains why I all I kept getting in Strong's was the Greek word.

But still, Strong defined it as "someone who uses magical remedies". That doesn't sound like any druggies I know.

We must understand that in Biblical days they spoke different to us when people used drugs that altered there mind the people called it magic, because it changes the person and makes them feel different and sometimes they go on a trip and see things the Bible calls it a potion or spell according to the terminology of the days it was written in.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

We must understand that in Biblical days they spoke different to us when people used drugs that altered there mind the people called it magic, because it changes the person and makes them feel different and sometimes they go on a trip and see things the Bible calls it a potion or spell according to the terminology of the days it was written in.

Lots of drugs alter the mind. Anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, etc. Are these bad? If not, then why not?

 

[Andrea77]

Mordern day Wicca is much different than witchcraft. Few Wiccans actually claim to use magic.

Apples and oranges.

Thats what they claim they can change all the terminoligy but its still Witchcraft.

Try these links:

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0179.asp

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/wicca.htm

 

[intricatic]

Two of the strongest Christians I know are potheads. I guess that equates them to witches. Interesting.
I think that if you use anything so much that it diverts your attention from God it's a bad thing, but to say that drugs in general are somehow evil is to place blame on an external idea.

Christianity - a relationship with God is very personal and individual. What our own personal vices and habbits are are inconsequential as they all amount to the same fallen nature. Drugs in general, in this line of thought, are only bad if they are used as a replacement for God. This same understanding expands to include everything from popular media to a picture of Jesus that you might focus on while praying.

 

[Cerberus~]

We must understand that in Biblical days they spoke different to us when people used drugs that altered there mind the people called it magic, because it changes the person and makes them feel different and sometimes they go on a trip and see things the Bible calls it a potion or spell according to the terminology of the days it was written in.

Well, just goes to show how little they knew about things, huh.

That's all fine and good, but it still doesn't match up with what we consider sorcery. A dude smoking a joint isn't sorcery. A girl snorting coke isn't sorcery. Someone using a super secret herb to make Love Potion #9 is closer to sorcery.

Drug use has never defined sorcery in and of itself. Not to mention your definition doesn't speak anything of context. If I told you I use drugs, I can be telling a dozen different things with that statement. I could use drugs to get high. I could use drugs to make money. I can use morphine to ease the pain of a car accident. I could use weed to make rope out of, and so on. Is that all sorcery too? Is it all immoral?

 

[Andrea77]

Lots of drugs alter the mind. Anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, etc. Are these bad? If not, then why not?

No they are not bad because they are prescribed for you by trained professionals were as illigal drugs are not.

Also you don't know were illigal drugs are from or what is in them there could be anything in them and people that sell them do not moniter how much you take thats why they are illigal.

The bible tells us to submit to the goverment as drugs are illigal we are not obeying this verse in the Bible.

Rom 13:1-2 says, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”

1Pet 2:13a says, “Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.”

 

[peepnklown]

Andrea77

Conjecture
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Conjecture
Did you happen to copy this website without referring to it?
http://www.biblefood.com/drugs.html


pharmakeia, use of drugs, from pharmakon, drug

 

[Andrea77]

Hope you don't mind me posting the link given in the above post here.




Could you tell me where to find the verse that states to "beware of the mind-altering herb"?

ANSWER:
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Hi, Your quote doesn't exactly appear in the Bible, but I think I catch your drift.



The Greek word "pharmakia" literally means "drugs", and appears five times in the New Testament: in Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, 18:23, 21:8, and 22:15. "Pharmakia" is translated into our English Bible as either "witchcraft" or "sorceries". We also get our English word "pharmacy" from the Greek word "pharmakia".



In each of the above five passages, "pharmakia", or "drugs" is listed as a work of the flesh of man as opposed to the Spirit of God working in us.



For example, Gal 5:16-23 in the KJV:



16 "[This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft ("pharmakia" or drug use), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance (self control) : against such there is no law."

The King James Bible translators translated "pharmakia" as "witchcraft", because almost no one but witches and sorcerers used drugs 400 years ago. Drugs were most commonly used in pagan worship to hallucinate and to try to get in touch with evil spirits.



This can be serious stuff! In Rev. 21:8, God says that people who are continually characterized by drug use will have no part in the Kingdom of God.



I would recommend learning how to walk in the Spirit and studying the New Testament Epistles to the Churches (Romans to Jude).



As we grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, we will find ourselves wanting to do things that please God.



Look again at Gal 5:22 & 23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering (patience), gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (self control)"

Isn't that what the whole world is looking for? It's automatic, when we walk in the Spirit!



The Christian life is a "supernatural" life, and we cannot please God in our own energy. We can only please God by allowing Him to work THROUGH us.



I have to assume that you love Jesus and want to please him, or you wouldn't even be concerned.



Please carefully read www.BibleFood.com Page 4, on being led by the Spirit, and let me know if you have further questions.



May the Lord richly bless you and your loved ones as you learn to walk in the Spirit and please God.



Bob Jones

 

[Cerberus~]

Thats what they claim they can change all the terminoligy but its still Witchcraft.

No...it's not. Witchcraft is practicing magic. It's not a religion, it's not a set of beliefs...it's just using magic. Wicca, is a belief system. Wiccans can practice witchcraft, but I haven't seem one, or heard of one that does. Neither have a met a Wiccan, even teens who refer to themselves as witches. Wiccans and witches are different.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0179.asp

Why are you trying to sell me a book?

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/wicca.htm

Haha! Now lets try something a little less biased and doesn't start off with:

the witches in Wicca have been watching too much Bewitched,
the witches in Wicca have been watching too much I Dream of Jeannie,
the witches in Wicca having been watching too much Sabrina the Good (or Teen) Witch, and
the witches in Wicca having been watching too much Casper the Friendly Ghost.

Here's a more accurate site:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No they are not bad because they are prescribed for you by trained professionals were as illigal drugs are not.

Also you don't know were illigal drugs are from or what is in them there could be anything in them and people that sell them do not moniter how much you take thats why they are illigal.

The bible tells us to submit to the goverment as drugs are illigal we are not obeying this verse in the Bible.

Pot is legal in Holland. Doctors can prescribe pot.
So marijuana would suddenly become ok if it were legalized in the U.S.?

 

[Andrea77]

Andrea77

Conjecture
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Conjecture
Did you happen to copy this website without referring to it?
http://www.biblefood.com/drugs.html


pharmakeia, use of drugs, from pharmakon, drug

No I got it from another website

http://www.cannabis.net/justsayno/

 

[Andrea77]

No...it's not. Witchcraft is practicing magic. It's not a religion, it's not a set of beliefs...it's just using magic. Wicca, is a belief system. Wiccans can practice witchcraft, but I haven't seem one, or heard of one that does. Neither have a met a Wiccan, even teens who refer to themselves as witches. Wiccans and witches are different.



Why are you trying to sell me a book?



Haha! Now lets try something a little less biased and doesn't start off with:



Here's a more accurate site:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

Have you noticed the symbols on the above site ?

THE PENTAGRAM !


Bill Schnoebelen thought Wicca was a harmless nature-worshipping religion. But once he got on the inside and began climbing to higher and higher levels, he learned that it is nothing more than one of Satan's most clever recruiting tools, designed to lead many into actual Satan worship.
Here is the fascinating personal testimony of a man who stepped into this Satanic trap, and the thrilling account of how Jesus Christ rescued him. You will learn what Wicca is REALLY all about, and become equipped to prevent others from being deceived.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

Have you noticed the symbols on the above site ?

THE PENTAGRAM !

Would a parallelogram make you happy?