Canabis ect.

[Amurphycat]

Marijuana is a pretty binine drug.. Its effect can be much less then Alchohol..

Alchohol can ihibit your abitilty to do A whole lot more, than just getting the munchies and wanting to listen to some good music..

I don't think you can get addicted like you can Cigarettes or other drugs.. I still like being totally clean from anything(i am a total health nut).. But for cancer treatment, I think that it has some benifit(and is medicaly proven).

I am not speaking in terms of Bible Law here, as Its still a subject that I can not define..

The big issue is, you have to Understand it.. If you don't it can be dangerous.. Understanding it is the key.

I have a lot of problems with the D.A.R.E. Program.. its definatly a very sore project(or idea), that was not going to work from the start.. Seemed to point the finger, and not teach.. which is the stupidest way to teach about drugs.. It basically tested kids to do drugs, and when they did- rounded them up and threw them in jail.. It never spoke of any reality that exists in people who use drugs, just a artificial outlook.. a political move

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/potbible.htm

I found this.. I didn't have time to read it, but it looks like it has a few answers..

(sorry if it is bad).

A lot of people who smoke pot, are very peaceful.. granted there are differnces.(but so are there in people who don't).. Pot seems to give a satifaction.. I think most of the theives who are on drugs, are not on pot. They are on much worse drugs, and a whole lot of the time Alchohol.

 

[psychedelicist]

It can lead to mental health problems such as depression and schizophrenia.

Wrong. There was a study done that "implies" (notice also the lack of a definite conclusion) that is someone has latent depression/schzophrenia already that cannabis may bring that out, but to one who is neither depressed nor schizo, they have nothing to worry about. That is very different from it causing depression or schizophrenia.

 

[e=mv^2]

For all those who might be taken in by this line of thinking, please search out even a little information about the church that claims to have such exclusive right to the truth. Gnosticism or special knowledge that only the enlightened can obtain was the entire focus of Paul's letter to the Colassians. There is only Christ and He is everything. You don't need cannabis.

Doug is correct here. You do not need cannabis or anything else for that matter. Christ is all sufficient. You do not need anything other than Jesus.

You can track me down other places in these forums, but I'll leave you to your deceptions in this matter.

Doug - where are the deceptions? If anyone *ANYONE* is able to provide sound scriptural evidence that eating cannabis is sinful then I will be proven wrong. The truth is that there is no scriptural evidence and we are not to add anything to scripture.

Jesus said his yoke was light. He was telling the truth. Christianity is a simple, easy method for us to get back to God. Let's not make it any harder.

 

[Amurphycat]

I love the flucuations of the natural world. I guess you could say that marijuana is in fact "natural"(or could be or what-not). Working out, and feeling the clean air that exists in the world is enough for me. The subtle changes that I find are things I have now come to enjoy.

But the main idea here is you have to actually UNDERSTAND whats going on. If you don't it is(or more so can be) very harmful.

 

[MidnightBlue]

The english word for drugs, pharmacy, comes from this same root. Drugs and potions have traditionally been used in witchcraft and satanic rituals to induce deeper subconscious states which enable persons to have fellowship and communication with demons. Realizing the satanic relationship with drug use helps us to understand why abusers of drugs experience such bondage and depravation. No where in the Bible or in history have drugs been used to bring people closer to God - they have always been used in relation to bringing people closer to evil powers and demonic influences.

Actually, the English word for drugs is "drugs." The English word for pharmacy is "pharmacy."

So anyway, now that you know that drugs are satanic and bring people closer to evil powers and demonic forces, I assume that you and your family will be relying on faith healing for your medical problems. Good luck with that.

I have it on good authority that pagans and satanists also use candles and robes in their ceremonies, and some of them use knives. Better make sure not to use any candles, robes, or knives, either. I've heard that many of them also sleep in beds, wear clothing, walk upright, and scratch when they itch, so be very, very careful about doing those things, too.

 

[John16:2]

John 16:2,

Are you saying that cannabis, opium and cocaine, all seed bearing plants, are the mind of the Lord for His body and flock? Are you suggesting as a shepherd that this is good forage for a flock?

The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie down in pastures of cannabis, poppies and coca; He leads me beside quiet waters. He restores my soul; He guides me in the paths of righteousness For His name's sake.

Please, give me a break.

Sin is the violation and nature of God and His character. Quite honestly I don't see God snorting, smoking or chomping away His consciousness and I believe that you tamper with the spirit of what is written far more than myself or others who qualify what is said in a few isolated verses upon the basis of the breadth of scripture.

Perhaps drugs are a part of worship in most cases. The issue is what god is being worshipped. Like I said, there is a demonic connection here.

Doug

Cocaine grows as bushes, and opium isn't a "green herb" bearing seed. But if in serious pain, would you reject the providence of God painkillers?

I do not use cocaine or opium, etc. I like to lower my blood pressure occasionally & relax though. I'm not worshipping the plant of renown Ezekiel 34:29 spoke of. Did I forget to say it's the providence of God? Did I forget to say I believe in the Bible? Get behind me distortionist!

 

[John16:2]

I read the passage that you refered (Ex 30:22) to and it is speaking about making the anointing oil rather than incense. It is used for its fragrance and applied externally more like a salve, smeared onto the skin than an oil. It was also used to anoint objects.

Also noted, the Hebrew definition of the word in question did not suggest that it was the same as cannabis. The English definition of the word in a modern dictionary made no reference to any commonality with cannabis so I remain unconvinced on both counts, that is the substance itself and what it was used for.

I will look further into it.

Thanks for the bit of humor, Cerberus~. I'm sure God is high on life, too.

Yes, I agree that there are posative uses for all of those substances and I understand that cocaine is a derivative, not the original form from the coca leaf. I think the posative uses of these substances are the answer to the statement that God pronounced the seed bearing plants as good for food (consumption) in Gen 1:29.

It is a stretch however to compare the opium dens of the orient to the medicinal use of morphine under a controlled environment. I also realize that it is a stretch to compare the social use of marijuana or cannabis to the opium dens. Where is the line to be drawn?

Sex is sacred, but there is a line. A heterosexual relationship in marriage is God blessed while an adulterous relationship is sinful. There is a line.

Where is the line drawn with respect to the use of such substances?

Perhaps there is little difference between a little wine and a little cannabis. Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise. But there is obviously a real and present danger in their use.

The stronger illicit drugs like cocaine, heroin, speed, crack and the like leave a trail of damaged discarded wasted lives. The devil came to steal, kill, and destroy; Jesus came to bring life and life more abounding.

So we search the scriptures dilligently to justify our own indiscretions and encourage others to follow us in our indiscretions so that we feel better about ourselves and all the time miss Jesus. I believe that this discussion has served to clarify my use of alcohol. It is lawful, but not always expedient.

Doug

While you pass judgement on me for a natural aid to meditation, & accuse me of being demonic (Matt 5:11) consider that I DON'T DRINK alcohol, as you do. Alcohol slows reaction time, and 2 of my friends died from alcohol poisoned livers, and others turned grey before their time who were drunkards. I don't call you demonic for that worst of drugs usage of yours, hypocrite.

Your superiority complex shows or alcohol inhibited brain function.