Almost anyone you talk to will say that the Catholic church was not the first. You didn't answer where you find pope or catholic in the Bible.
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panterapat said:Right, Jesus established His church and intrusted it to Peter. Jesus said, "I will be with you always to the end of the age." The only Christian church from 33AD to the age of Martin Luther some 1600 years later, was the Catholic Church. This is historical FACT.
No, churches aren't perfect, but the Bible is. The Bible says that there is only one church. This is the church that Jesus built, but not the Catholic church.
panterapat said:dldjr86,
But the FACT remains that in the year 300, the Catholic Church compiled and approved the Bible. Before this time there was NO BIBLE.
When Jesus commissioned the Apostles, He told them to go and PREACH to all nations. He did not tell them to have everyone read the Bible. (It did not exist yet) The Bible is an outgrowth of the Catholic Church (The Council of Hippo, 300AD)
What everyone says about the Catholic Church or anything else does not matter. What matters is the TRUTH. Everything I have written in this post is FACTUAL TRUTH.
In Christ, Patrick
Rising_Suns said:Yes it is the Catholic church.
The fact is the Roman Church broke communion with the east and went its own way. In the years after the great schism Roman has added dogma that was not part of the Apostolic Tradition such as Papal infalliblity and the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Both of those dogmas the Orthodox do not hold nor ever will. The Roman Catholics are not the original Christianity.Rising_Suns said:I would recommend the Catholic faith, seeing as though it is the original Christianity, and the church that Jesus had intended to begin, starting with Peter.
You can get simple answers to most of the common questions about Catholicism here:
http://www.christianforums.com/t53299
May the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
The fact is the Roman Church broke communion with the east and went its own way. In the years after the great schism Roman has added dogma that was not part of the Apostolic Tradition such as Papal infalliblity and the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Both of those dogmas the Orthodox do not hold nor ever will. The Roman Catholics are not the original Christianity.
Wasn't it St Jerome who when comparing the Church to Noah's Ark (a Biblical allegory from the NT) said "If it wasn't for the storm outside, you couldn't stand the stench inside"?
To say that any one church out there is correct is ridiculous and hypocritical. Churches are man made, therefore not perfect.
Yes I agree.The whole reason for the veil being torn in two after Jesus death was to make it so we could go to God directly. NO church that you can "be a part of" is what can take you to heaven. Only a relationship with Jesus Christ will get you there.
Churches are there for certain reasons like I stated earlier. It is meant for guidance, spiritual growth, fellowship, and worship. As a believer and follower of Christ ie: believing in the basics you will get to heaven, not as a believer and follower of any church or silly doctrine that no one agrees on.
People need to stop making the bible their own personal playground, it is for anyone and everyone. Christianity a relationship not a religion.