Can you loose your salvation??

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

The discussion came up the other day, and my pastor says that you can, but my friend says that you cannot. Once you are saved you are saved. But once you are saved... and you went back to your old ways, does that mean that you were not actually saved in the first place??

If you could help me out that would be great. Its not htat I am concerend about MY Salvation.. because I know where I am going

But what do you guys think??

 

[gusto5]

i dont really have an opinion on this becuase i just dont take sides.

POV #1) ---------------|----------------
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once we recieve it, we should progress --> so our relationship goes deeper. Is it really possible for us to go <-- past salvation? If yes? did we really accept salvation?

 

[SAVEVERYONE]

Gods spirit will coincide with our spirit and let us know if were saved or not, if someone truely ask Jesus to come into there heart there going to be saved, Jesus is not jumping in and out of people, thats just not the Jesus I know, Jesus doesnt change he is the same yesterday, today and forever, so once he makes a covenant with someone he will not break it, we might break the covenant but he loves us to much he will not. Some people grow slower than others in the lord so it might take awhile for them to finally begin to listen to the Holy Spirit on the inside of them, it might be 20 years later till they finally realize what they have been doing was wrong and all they really needed to do was repent and turn there life around and begin following Jesus, Jesus was ready to move the very first day we ask him to come in to our lives, but some how or another we kept following sin instead of Jesus. Jesus will never leave nor forsake us, either this is true or it isnt, I will go with its true he will never leave nor forsake us were his and nothing can take us out of his hand. hope this helps, God bless everyone.

 

[Sharky]

It's a funny thing to know that when you're saved, your saved and if you sin, you're not saved.

I believe you are saved forever sealed with God.

If you sin, and don't ask for forgiveness, you'll reap horrible stuff. You're still saved but you'll be wondering what life you've just wasted when you die.

 

[KristiXP]

I agree most absolutely with Sharky.

 

[geekbuster]

once you're saved, you're always saved - God will never let you go

but, i do think that you can throw away your own salvation, if you cleary/purposely deny God in your life then you dismiss your own salvation

 

[jesus_freak_for_life]

i agree with geekbuster. all of our sins are paid for in full. that, however, is not reason to keep sinning. it requires a full 180 turn on *our* part, as well. otherwise, what's the point? we need to give Jesus our all.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

If you sin, and don't ask for forgiveness, you'll reap horrible stuff. QUOTE]

I think thats the best hting I have ever heared... that is sooooo true. Wowzers!! I have a friend that needs to hear that.... he keeps on sinning and then blames God for all the bad things happening in his life... and then gives up when God dosent fix them like asap!

 

[RonC2]

Once saved always saved.

"By grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8-9

Your salvation is a gift of God. It is not something earned through works. No matter how great of a Christian you are, you do nothing to earn your salvation. It also applies to the opposite. You can do nothing to lose your salvation. It was never from works in the first place. Jesus died for all of your sins. Remember, even your past sins were future sins to Jesus. He covers you for your entire life.

Another verse that comes to mind states that nothing can pluck you from His hands. No angel, no sin, NOTHING. If you believe you can lose your faith you start leaning towards Calvinism and Armineanism, which are both wrong. You should be able to request material on this subject from http://www.tonyevans.org/ . I listen to him every morning and he did a two week study on Eternal Salvation. Request material under that topic and you should get what you are looking for. He explains why both Calvinism and Armineanism are wrong providing both biblical and contemporary examples. He also covers the most asked question, "Well, if I'm always saved that means I can go do whatever I want since God will forgive me right?" In short the answer is no but I highly recommend grabbing that study guide. I believe he wrote a book on it as well.

If you can't grab it there I know you can request it from http://www.khcb.org/ . Just ask for Tony Evans study on Eternal Salvation. Hope this helps.

God Bless,
Ron

 

[Heinrich]

Hi all

Funny I'm bussy having this same conversation with my dad.
(over email)
Here's my 5 sents:
I think the major problem is that there is alot of people that
say they are saved and act like it but aint... and they tend
to slide backwards..
The other part of the truth is that we can sometimes slide
away from God very far... for quite some time (years)
And then come back.
does sinning means your not saved.. NO!
does following the biblical commandments and going to church make you
a christian... NO!
Go look at Joh 10:28-29
But the question remains for me: Can somebody out of his own wil turn his back
on the Lord and start serving Satan?
Without anyproof I would say YES. But I'm 90% unsure.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

humm interresting... I want to check something out then I will return...

 

[Peter]

There is no right answer to this question because the question itself is in error.

Peace.

Peter

 

[Rafael]

The problem of faith is never God's but ours. Sometimes our faith will be weak, and if we have sinned very badly, we may not have the assurance of salvation that we once had. That is why it is important to not continue in a sinful lifestyle. He is greater than our sin and His faith is stronger than ours, but we can never expect to be comfortable and live in sin. David cryed out to God to restore the joy of his salvation when he had committed terrible sins for a king to commit.

If a person is truly elect, they cannot lose their salvation. Jesus said in John 6:37:, "37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

As Henrich said, though, there are many who are deceived about themselves and their salvation. They think it an easy thing to just say they believe and have no actions supporting their confessions. These are never truly saved, but only God knows the heart and can judge who they are. We are commanded to love even our enemies and believe the best for them. This doesn't mean we are blind to their fruit and their sins, if blatant. We are supposed to correct one another in humbleness and love. It doesn't happen that often, though, but we are held accountable even for that if we do not warn a brother or sister about a sin and try to restore them to the path of truth. I guess that I'd say that a person cannot lose what they never had, and that God never loses anything that belongs to Him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 ¶ For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Psalms 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

 

[Bowser]

Sign of the Fish,

I love my son incredibly much, as, I'm sure, you love your own children.

If my son runs away for whatever reason from my care do you think I will stand idly by and pretend like I never knew him? Absolutely not! I will go after with great urgency and try to get him back. I have a strong love for my son, and God has an even stronger love for us.

The love we have for Christ and He has with us is a covenant; an unbreakable tie and promise. We may not hold up our side of the agreement, but like a true friend He will always keep us in line. We can never be lost.

 

[Inkasnana]

I really like the way you put that Bowser

 

[1John5:3]

Things Children of God Can Do:
1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13

2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17

3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20

4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11

5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12

6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23

7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1

8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12

9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27

10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

God accepts the choices we make. He doesn't force us against our will to be in His presence.

 

[Bowser]

Things Children of God Can Do:
1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13

2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17

3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20

4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11

5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12

6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23

7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1

8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12

9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27

10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

God accepts the choices we make. He doesn't force us against our will to be in His presence.

If we have done any of those things and God will not seek us back we were never truly believers to begin with.

As a Christian and believer in Christ Satan will fight over us, trying to win us back to his side; corrupting us. If we truly and unduly are beleivers in Christ He will not allow us to be stolen, and will squash all of Satan's attempts. Therefore, if we ever were believers in Christ we will remain His. We will be protected under God's grace and love.

 

[SAVEVERYONE]

Again I go to the point Jesus isnt jumping in and out, in and out , in and out, of people thats contrary to who he is, his word wouldnt be valid if hes jumping in and out of people you get my point, hes saying those who call on my name shall be saved, so thats what it is your saved, if someone calls on his name to be saved and he comes in hes staying in hes not going to leave just because of sin we commit, that defeats the purpose of a saviour, he stays in us despite are sin and cleans us up, were sealed nothing again I say nothing can take us from the grip of Gods hand he said so himself, If you can pry me out of Gods hand come try it, If you succeed then I rest my case.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Sign of the Fish,

I love my son incredibly much, as, I'm sure, you love your own children.

QUOTE]

hahahah I am only 20... I dont have kids yet

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

You guys have really all made really great points!! Thank you so much. It is alot clearer to me now. Last night I was talkingto a friend, who grew up in a christian household and everything, and I asked HIm, if he died today, where would he go, and he said he didnt know.... and that really scared me (See he has turned away from God)

No my next question, if he KNOWS he has turned away form God and has acknowledged this, would it mean he has lost his salvation? And we were talking last night, adn he said there is a part of him that wants to change but an even biggre part of him that dosent want to.... and that is so scarry to me.

ANd yes I fully understand that no one will really know and its not in any way my place to judge, but God's place.... but I still cant help but worry....