Can you interrupt "Evolution"? With the right "selection pressure"?

[Kylie]

I have seen the power of elastic gravity, first hand.

There is nothing you will ever say, that will convince me that gravity can't be interrupted.

Gravity exhibits a quality of a law, that it can be interrupted - if you could do the same with Evolution, I would believe that too.

Please show me some source to support your claim that gravity can be interrupted.

 

[Kylie]

No gravity runs out and something becomes motionless in connection with that gravity.

Here is the link of what happens to gravity, in mid-air.

You do not seem to understand basic scientific principles, so that video is not showing what you think it shows.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

No gravity runs out and something becomes motionless in connection with that gravity.

Here is the link of what happens to gravity, in mid-air.

No, not really. Gravity continued as normal throughout. Why do you think they used a bungee cord instead of an inelastic rope?

Hint: because it stores energy.

I would expect that the results with the water tank attached would be better because the inertia of the water tank would allow the bungee cord tension to act on the car for longer.

 

[Gottservant]

No, not really. Gravity continued as normal throughout. Why do you think they used a bungee cord instead of an inelastic rope?

Hint: because it stores energy.

Yes, but gravity where? That is the question.

Gravity "associated with" an object, does not necessarily exert an influence on that object - that is the point.

You are saying "no, there is energy stored elsewhere, so the transference of gravity is put off by that energy"... when - directly speaking - it does not.

 

[Gottservant]

I think actually, I have been too kind with my questioning.

What if... the right selection pressures were given, to revert the human race back to its beginning? Back through apes and fish and slime?

What beginning would be left open to interpretation?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

What if... the right selection pressures were given, to revert the human race back to its beginning? Back through apes and fish and slime?

Interesting theory. We will get a head start on this when we start pairing Trump supporters with flat earthers.

 

[Gottservant]

Interesting theory. We will get a head start on this when we start pairing Trump supporters with flat earthers.

Thanks for taking the thought, a little seriously.

Any time you feel like addressing the beginning, that would be great.

The Bible actually reverts back to a state that neither creates nor destroys.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Thanks for taking the thought, a little seriously.

I am sorry if I gave that impression. It was not intended in any way or form.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Yes, but gravity where? That is the question.

Gravity "associated with" an object, does not necessarily exert an influence on that object - that is the point.

You are saying "no, there is energy stored elsewhere, so the transference of gravity is put off by that energy"... when - directly speaking - it does not.

I gave you a very simple explanation of what was happening. Your ignoring that explanation only makes you look foolish.

 

[Gottservant]

I gave you a very simple explanation of what was happening. Your ignoring that explanation only makes you look foolish.

Wait what? "Foolish"? Why is that word even in your vocabulary - if you believe everything can be Evolved?

I said gravity can stop

and I showed you

and your response was "unless you believe it is the energy associated with it that is responsible, I will not accept the observation"

 

[Kylie]

Yes, but gravity where? That is the question.

Gravity "associated with" an object, does not necessarily exert an influence on that object - that is the point.

You are saying "no, there is energy stored elsewhere, so the transference of gravity is put off by that energy"... when - directly speaking - it does not.

Once again, what you are saying does not fit with what science has told us about gravity.

Every object with mass creates gravity. Mass creates curves in spacetime, just the same way that a bowling ball on a trampoline will cause a curve in the trampoline's surface. This curving is gravity. And I can roll a marble across the trampoline, and when it passes close to the bowling ball, the curve cause by the bowling ball will change the direction of the marble. Likewise, if a small object like a space probe passes close to a large object like a planet, then the curve in space time caused by the planet - the planet's gravity - will make the space probe change direction.

This curve of space time technically goes on forever. If there was a whole universe with just you and a single planet, then no matter how far away you go from that planet, you'll still feel its gravity. Of course, the strength of the effect you'd feel would fall off very quickly. It's like how a light bulb can be blindingly bright if you are right next to it, but if you are in the next room, you can look at it without hurting your eyes. Likewise, you can get so far away from this one and only planet in our hypothetical universe that you can't consciously feel the effects of its gravity. But the effect is still technically there, just incredibly small.

In the real universe, the gravitational effects of distant objects like stars and planets is very small, and it's drowned out by the gravitational effects of the moon and the sun. But that gravitational influence is there nonetheless.

So, keeping this in mind, what exactly do you mean by "Gravity "associated with" an object"?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Wait what? "Foolish"? Why is that word even in your vocabulary - if you believe everything can be Evolved?

I said gravity can stop

and I showed you

and your response was "unless you believe it is the energy associated with it that is responsible, I will not accept the observation"

I explained in simple English how the force exerted by the bungee continued to counter the force of gravity for a short period after it was released. I specifically stated that gravity was never interrupted.

Now you have the explanation readily available continuing to claim that gravity was stopped is foolish.

 

[Gottservant]

I explained in simple English how the force exerted by the bungee continued to counter the force of gravity for a short period after it was released. I specifically stated that gravity was never interrupted.

Now you have the explanation readily available continuing to claim that gravity was stopped is foolish.

Countering the force of gravity is stopping it.

Everything else you say is just word salad?

Look again at the video: the gravity leaves the object in the air, for as long as elastic potential is working against it - the object itself does not divert gravity up the elastic so as to accelerate the descent.

If you had said "gravity affected both the object and the elastic attached to it, at the same time" then you would have grounds to say "gravity was not interrupted".

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Countering the force of gravity is stopping it.

Everything else you say is just word salad?

Look again at the video: the gravity leaves the object in the air, for as long as elastic potential is working against it - the object itself does not divert gravity up the elastic so as to accelerate the descent.

If you had said "gravity affected both the object and the elastic attached to it, at the same time" then you would have grounds to say "gravity was not interrupted".

Imagine you are pushing against a tree, but the tree doesn't move. According to your logic your pushing is stopped and you are not pushing. Is that what you really think?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Everything else you say is just word salad?

I give high marks for irony for this one.

 

[Kylie]

Countering the force of gravity is stopping it.

No it isn't. The gravity is still there.

I can lift my cup of coffee off the table when I have my breakfast, but that doesn't mean that gravity has ceased to exist from the cup's point of view.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, but gravity where? That is the question.

Gravity "associated with" an object, does not necessarily exert an influence on that object - that is the point.

You are saying "no, there is energy stored elsewhere, so the transference of gravity is put off by that energy"... when - directly speaking - it does not.

No, I'm not saying that. Gravity acts on all the objects in the experiment at all times. Sometimes countering forces prevent those objects from falling under its influence. The bungee cord tension provides such a (temporary) countering force.

 

[SLP]

No gravity runs out and something becomes motionless in connection with that gravity.

Like I thought - you got out of that what you wanted to.

That is not "elastic gravity", it is not the 'interruption' of gravity.

Here is the link of what happens to gravity, in mid-air.

Nothing happens to gravity.

 

[SLP]

No it isn't. The gravity is still there.

I can lift my cup of coffee off the table when I have my breakfast, but that doesn't mean that gravity has ceased to exist from the cup's point of view.

I think this is a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent....

 

[SLP]

Maybe the right interpretation for you, is that interrupting Evolution is not as important as interrupting it consistently...

Nothing you've mentioned is "interruption" of anything.

But if you interrupt it consistently, how are you going to know it is any different, from everything else we interrupt consistently?

You still think gravity is interrupted?

If you properly explained how Evolution could be interrupted (as a law), you would be able to prove Evolution worked (in a specific context, for a specific reason).

Can you interrupt Christianity?

Sure seems that way.