Can you interrupt "Evolution"? With the right "selection pressure"?

[SLP]

That's incorrect actually, if there is elastic potential in the object, the object will be suspended in mid-air, until the elastic is exhausted.

So, if we accept your description as accurate, it is STILL not an example of gravity being "interrupted", it just means that there was another force counteracting gravity until gravity's force overcame it.

You know like when an airplane flies - the thrust provided by the engines forces the wings through the air, creating enough lift to counter-act gravity so the plane can fly. That doesn't mean airplanes "interrupt" gravity.

They did a test with a slow motion camera, on Mythbusters.

The whole world has seen evidence of mid air suspension.

The rest of the world seems to understand that gravity was not interrupted.

 

[Gottservant]

You know like when an airplane flies - the thrust provided by the engines forces the wings through the air, creating enough lift to counter-act gravity so the plane can fly. That doesn't mean airplanes "interrupt" gravity.

As the wing is partly flat and partly curved, what you have is a "partial" interruption.

 

[Kylie]

As the wing is partly flat and partly curved, what you have is a "partial" interruption.

Uh, no.

You don't seem to understand aerodynamics well enough to have a discussion about it.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

As the wing is partly flat and partly curved, what you have is a "partial" interruption.

Please respond to my post concerning pushing against a tree.

 

[SLP]

As the wing is partly flat and partly curved, what you have is a "partial" interruption.

How does a wing generating lift do ANYTHING to gravity?


Are you in high school?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Hi there,

So this is basically a test of whether something is real or not. Something that is real, can be interrupted. Gravity causes a fall, but the fall can be interrupted; electricity causes shock, but the shock can be interrupted. Most laws, if the are genuine, follow this simple pattern.

The question is "can you interrupt 'Evolution'?" - if so, how?

Did you see the submarine found near Japan that's been missing since the war ?

It's been sitting on the bottom of the ocean all these years...

Can anyone interrupt it's progress , can anyone stop it from going on its own power back to California, or Hawaii ?

So neither can anyone interrupt evolution from doing anything on its own. There is no power in it to do anything.

 

[Gottservant]

Please respond to my post concerning pushing against a tree.

You are exerting your momentum, not the tree's?

Do you really think you stop pushing the tree because you want to? Not because the tree's rooted in gravity?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You are exerting your momentum, not the tree's?

Do you really think you stop pushing the tree because you want to? Not because the tree's rooted in gravity?

You're the one who says that gravity stops working when there's a force pulling against it, so I'm wondering if you also think you stop pushing when there's a tree resisting. They're the same situation - one force being countered by another. The important point is that neither you pushing nor gravity pulling the car is ever "interrupted".

 

[Gottservant]

Let me think about this?

I gave you a concrete example of elastic strength suspending gravity and you have replied something about a tree and a car, both of which are different experimental models - for which gravity is present, but not manipulated as plainly as my example (there is gravity but there is the ground, which you don't understand affects the experiment; and there is gravity but traction, which you don't understand has to be sustained for resistance to gravity to propel the car).

The point being laws do not fail to stop and start, as long as the law is obeyed. An exception to the law, such as Evolution, lasts while the author of the law allows the exception to be juxtaposed against other laws which are kept. Like when you create a work of art, you don't force the paintbrush through the painting, you move the paintbrush around, until an effect is created (and then you withdraw the brush, clean it, etc). There is a continuity in the law, which can only be broken under certain conditions.

You are trying to say "I know the work of art, Evolution is leading me to create, but let me first destroy my tools and see if I can't reinvent art - without the mastery I would have if I just created?" So you see, in actual fact you are giving up a humanity, that could help all of us survive - by believing "Evolution"... I don't see that as a good thing.

But let me think about, it, okay?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Let me think about this?

I gave you a concrete example of elastic strength suspending gravity and you have replied something about a tree and a car, both of which are different experimental models - for which gravity is present, but not manipulated as plainly as my example (there is gravity but there is the ground, which you don't understand affects the experiment; and there is gravity but traction, which you don't understand has to be sustained for resistance to gravity to propel the car).

I explained how gravity was being countered by the bungee pulling up, to which you replied "that's gravity being interrupted". I then used a different example of two forces countering each other to illustrate the point - when one force is countered by another it is not interrupted or suspended, it is simply being countered. You appear to be struggling with this concept, probably because you cannot understand that a bungee continues to exert upward force for a fraction of a second after it is released.

 

[Kylie]

Counteracting a force is not the same as cancelling it out.

 

[SLP]

Let me think about this?

I gave you a concrete example of elastic strength suspending gravity

I ask again - are you in high school?

 

[SLP]

I am forever amazed at the level of scientific expertise in nearly all creationists....
In particular, they are seem to be experts on the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You are exerting your momentum, not the tree's?

Momentum is a property of objects in motion, not static opposing forces, and it isn't a force, so you can't 'exert' it.

 

[Gottservant]

Momentum is a property of objects in motion, not static opposing forces, and it isn't a force, so you can't 'exert' it.

Interrupted momentum does not destroy force, it redirects it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Interrupted momentum does not destroy force, it redirects it.

I recommend Physics 101.

 

[SLP]

Why did you start yet another thread?
Do divert attention away from your failure in this one?

Take some high school physics, bro.

 

[Freodin]

Hi there,

So this is basically a test of whether something is real or not. Something that is real, can be interrupted. Gravity causes a fall, but the fall can be interrupted; electricity causes shock, but the shock can be interrupted. Most laws, if the are genuine, follow this simple pattern.

The question is "can you interrupt 'Evolution'?" - if so, how?

To my simple mind, Evolutionists would have to accept Evolution can be interrupted, if the selection pressures acting on Evolution, are the right selection pressures? So basically you could have a case, where something was pressured one way and then was pressured another way and it wouldn't be clear that Evolution was working. Like the butterfly, one minute its a caterpillar with certain selection pressures and then it becomes a butterfly, with different selection pressures again - what matters is that somehow Evolution can be interrupted, meaningfully.

The fact that the caterpillar has certain selection pressures, does not change the need to become a butterfly and the butterfly does not need to forget having caterpillar eggs, because the selection pressures on it, have changed.

Do you see what I am getting at here?

How do you know, when to interrupt Evolution? And when not?
What is the capacity to respond to selection pressures (adapted or evolved)?

For what it's worth...

As you should know by now - you have been told often enough - "Evolution" here refers to the change in the genetic makeup of a "species" (and the means in this case: a lineage of descendants).
The Theory of Evolution gives several explanations about how such a change happens (simply put: changes in the genetic structure that are inheritable. These can be mutations, combinations, and others) and in which direction this change happens (simply put: in the direction that is more favorable for continuing the line. That's the so called 'selection pressure').

So the 'selection pressure' only determines the direction of the change... it doesn't cause it.
To "stop Evolution", you would have to remove the cause: the change in the hereditary genetic structure.

That means each offspring must have the exact same genetic code as its progenitor.
This, for once, excludes sexual reproduction, because that leads to a recombination of the genetic structure.
Then, you'd have to exclude mutations from the genetic code. You would have to invent a reliable method of "cloning" to do that... or at least make sure that every "failure" in a perfect copying process is excluded from further reproduction.

If you can do that, you would have stopped evolution.
I'm not sure though what you think would be achived by that.

 

[Gottservant]

Yes, but surely you concede that a species never evolves or tries to evolve into its predator?

 

[Gottservant]

The wolf runs the other way, when the word of the moment,, brings lightning.