Can you fall from being saved?

[TreeOfLife]

Didn't god say something about desiring Mercy over Sacrifice?


joyinhim, this may seem like a redundant question, but are you a born again Christian? You may have already said you were, if you did please forgive me.

 

[aggie03]

One cannot be a Christian without being born again. Jesus makes that very clear in John 3.

 

[joyinhim]

Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.

 

[joyinhim]

False teachers (4)
[BIBLE]2 PETER 2:17-22[/BIBLE]

 

[deu58]

Hi Joyinhim

Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.

Not stop, Just change how you are doing it, What you are doing is just pushing everybody away from you, To do what you want to do you have to do serious bible study, Research etc and present a good argument and even then you will have hard time, Most of us are set in our ways and our walk,

It is hard to teach an old dog new tricks, But some times old dogs can surprise you if you use the right approach,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Godzchild]

Well, falling from grace isn't as simple really as "oops, you've messed up once, now you're not saved any more." That's not what I think it is at all...otherwise I know at least one person on this thread who goes by "aggie03" that wouldn't be saved.

Falling from grace isn't even God disowning anyone - because I do believe that the Scriptures say that God will never "kicj anyone out". They do say, however, that people can leave. God will not "lock the doors" and keep someone from leaving His house.

On another note, what was the post number for our "reference" post?

Actually I can't remember LOL Ummmmmmmm. Will have to look

Actually falling from grace is none of those things you mentioned. I didn't mention falling from grace at all actually. If you want to know how someone falls from grace, your best bet is to read Galatians 3. Here it talks about those who follow the law, and not having faith. It's not sinning...rather it's trying to not sin by following the law instead of having faith in Christ's finished work on the cross.

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

You know what? You're right! So what are you worried about? Number one, it's not your business to know who 'keeps sinning' and who doesn't. And Number two, when someone makes a mistake and makes the same mistake over and over, they could just be learning too right? I know when God was working on something in me, I would make the same mistake over and over and God would say "oops nope you haven't got it yet, Jane...you're almost there". I would hate it, if during my learning stage, if someone mere mortal kept pointing the finger at me and saying "you're not saved, you're not saved". Especially when I knew, that I was. That's why it's never good to judge others, you do not know what's going on in their hearts - God does though, and it's him that we are accountable to, not man. NEVER MAN! As soon as you 'try not to sin' to appease men...I believe you are in a lot of trouble! Been there, done that.

The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his Word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

And never be allowed to stuff up? Joyinhim, if I was the judgemental type who walked around pointing my finger at people all day, I could say that you, yourself, are not walking as Jesus did. But lucky for you, I have more faith in that. I know you're saved joyinhim, but I also know that you make mistakes and I have grace for that. I dont' think badly of you...I just figure that you're learning something and that's ok by me

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

holo, you have said that you are an out cast. Why every where you go, you have so many admirers? They are almost worshipping you. and did
you noticed that every where I go I get stoned?

That could explain a lot

 

[Godzchild]

Do not love the world(secular) or anything in the world(secular). If anyone loves the world(secular), the love of the Father is not in him. For everything in the world - the carvings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does - comes not from the Father but from the world.
The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.[/QUOTE]

Goodness joyinhim, what are you doing?

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he apperared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Just remember, when you're pointing the finger...there are 3 fingers pointing straight back at you!!!!!!

holo, I believe the Bible is God's word.

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saint. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly skipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of your God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

And you are misrepresenting the bible by using as a weapon as you are doing now.

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of your Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own undodly desires." These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spritit.

There will also be wolves dressed in sheep's clothing

For this very reason, make every effor to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perserverance; and to perserverance, godliness; and to dodliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and
has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

Gosh, I hope you don't have children.

One's calling (2)

Therefore, my bothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


holo, I don't know if you are saved. Only God knows.

NO actually, I ALSO KNOW that Holo is saved. He has done nothing but shown humility and patience and long suffering while you throw accusations and judgements at him! I applaud you Holo!!!

False Teachers and therir destruction (1)

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the soverieign Lord who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teaches will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

And I'm looking at one

holo, you have said that you are an out cast. Why every where you go, you have so many admirers? They are almost worshipping you. and did
you noticed that every where I go I get stoned?

There is no worshipping - there is admiration!! And yes, everywhere you go you do get stoned...because, friend you're not being like Jesus, not at all! I find you quite hypocritical actually...very much so! And it saddens me.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Somebody has become my "proof study" that it is impossible to lose one's salvation. I'm not mentioning any names mind you, but the proof is good enough for me!

 

[Godzchild]

Doesn't the bible say that we will know them by their love, or fruits, or something like that?

Yes he most certainly did...and Holo has shown more fruits than the one accusing him with self-righteous rantings.

Deu, I am only telling the things that most Christians and pastors are not doing. His whole teaching should be honored and respected. I am telling you that you are missing so much blessings.

You are saying it so nicely but reality is that you are stoning me for telling the whole truth about His teaching.

Oh...no sweetie...there is no truth to what you're teaching. You're not teaching what Christ taught...not at all! Very sad

 

[Godzchild]

Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.

You are ignorant to the teaching of the scriptures. You pull scriptures out of context and use them as weapons against people. This damages people. This kills! Please stop it now!!! You have no idea what you are doing!!! You're actions are hurting people!

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I know you fancy yourself a martyr for the faith but I really urge you to read the epistles. Notice how they approach the church, I'll give you an example:

1 Corinthians 1



1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Thanksgiving

4I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. 5For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— 6because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. 7Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. 8He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful


I'll tell you the primary difference here. It was obvious, Paul (et. al) truly loved the church. Their message was given in love. Even when they had to admonish, it was done in love. Nobody here has seen an ounce of love or compassion in your posts. You act as if you'd spit on us given the chance.

I love my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't agree with them on all the issues but, fortunately, the Bible is crystal clear who will be joining me in Heaven one day.

You've given your message. At this point, the only thing you're doing is perhaps turning weaker Christians or newer Christians away from the faith. You present a one-sided view of the gospels and of God. You need to really study the Bible and realize this is a message of LOVE. God loves me. I'm overwhelmed by that love (and unworthy at the same time). God loves you and He loves each and every person here. I know you believe you need to counter the prosperity teachers but you providing the opposite message doesn't balance the message in any way. It just makes you one of them.

 

[Godzchild]

I'm actually very upset at seeing this. I'm very sad for Joyinhim and I feel so sorry for Holo at the moment.

I hope and pray that Joyinhim sees what she is doing and actually gets joy in him one day. I pray for you darl! You really need it.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Somebody has become my "proof study" that it is impossible to lose one's salvation. I'm not mentioning any names mind you, but the proof is good enough for me!

I still maintain that if somebody truly knew Christ from the beginning they wouldn't lose their salvation ...so maybe for the people you think 'lost' their salvation, they just never Him to begin. I'd have to believe once you truly accept the love God has for you, you couldn't help but be in awe.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Phil 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
NKJV

 

[Godzchild]

Also it is possible to walk away but I believer that 'true' believers come back.

 

[TreeOfLife]

I still maintain that if somebody truly knew Christ from the beginning they wouldn't lose their salvation ...so maybe for the people you think 'lost' their salvation, they just never Him to begin. I'd have to believe once you truly accept the love God has for you, you couldn't help but be in awe.

LOL...I think she is saved no matter what she does. That might even completely whig her out, but that's what I believe!

 

[joyinhim]

LOL...I think she is saved no matter what she does. That might even completely whig her out, but that's what I believe!

You mock and laugh all you want.

May God be with you.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I'm actually very upset at seeing this. I'm very sad for Joyinhim and I feel so sorry for Holo at the moment.

I hope and pray that Joyinhim sees what she is doing and actually gets joy in him one day. I pray for you darl! You really need it.

I've seen Holo come under attack before and I've seen God's grace in his replies. With God, he seems to be handling these types of things fairly well.

I've been thinking of her new screenname as 'despairinhim' (notice him is not capitalized). I cannot imagine such darkness. We've got an inkling from other threads what has brought her to this place but I just cannot imagine how it got to this point.

Matthew 12
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.


I truly believe God is listening to our prayers here

Matthew 18
19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."​

While we may all be miles apart, I believe God can move mountains here and His love can be revealed. I know it's easy to become slightly irked or pestered by these posts, but if any of us are not already praying , we should be.

 

[Llauralin]

Llaralin, deu, this is my convinction that this country's Christians don't want to hear the whole teaching of Jesus. If you don't agree that's fine. I still keep on telling the truth that most christians are not telling OK? Every one is entittled to their own opinions. I am entitled to mine too. Is that OK with you? Why do you want me to stop what I am doing? It's so strange the way you talk about me.

Well, yes, you can teach with whatever emphasis you wish. If you wish it to be on the moral laxity of those around you, then go right ahead. The thing I object to is your judgemntal attitude to those here, without really knowing if they're hypocrits or not. Some people may have a different motivation for doing the good than you do, and, I may be wrong here, but you seem to look down on them.

I object to all the "false prophet" verses you've been quoting, not because there aren't any, but because they are out of place. They were posted in response to those who think that you need to think more about grace than about works, and more about love than judgement. I know it seems like people are singeling you out unfairly, and that some of us have the same problem, and need to deal with that first, but the thing is, most people will admit such condemnation to be a fault, whereas you seem to hold it up as a virtue.

Forgive me...

~Molly~