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Can you fall from being saved?
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aggie03
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I don't believe that I've told you anything - I've simply made an intellectual observation about the Scriptures. If I am wrong, please tell me how - as doing what you appear to be doing (leaving after a "gotchya" statement) does no one any good.
I'm simply trying to make sure that we're talking about the same thing to avoid confusion, so we can both study and learn together. You should be willing to do that.
I'm simply trying to make sure that we're talking about the same thing to avoid confusion, so we can both study and learn together. You should be willing to do that.
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Aggie03 I don't know how you can keep up with their scoffing and sarcasm. It certanly is not a Christian attitude. I will stop if we don't have anybody else besides them reading this thread. What do you say? Do you have more readers than those regular ones?
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joyinhim said:
Well, we have to be careful how we read each others words. We can't hear their voices - so what we think might be said with searing sarcasm may be genuimne and heart fealt. That's why I like the smiley faces
as they help everyone to get a better grasp on your "voice" when you write. Sometimes people are a little harsher than called for, though ususally that is a temporary situation. Sometimes I might be harsher than I should. What we have to remember is that these posts that we make are here for as long as ChristianForums is around...someone who is genuinely seeking the Truth may come across a thread you write in one time and have the Scriptures "open their mind" like Lydia did in Acts 16. I find that when I think about things in that context, I can put up with a great deal - even though most of the problem is the fact that I can't hear others actually talking. Does this make any sense? I hope so
Sometimes things don't come out the way that they're supposed to.
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Now that we're back from our brief interlude...
...I've been considering this a bit. We're going to be adopting our third child. Because the adoption is an international adoption, the wait for us will be a long one. Once that child is in our hands, that child is ours. Someday our child may decide to leave home for some reason. No matter what that child does will he (or she) be any less our child? Once you are a parent, you are always a parent and you cannot write off your children. You may say you are writing your child off, but the fact remains, that is your child.
I believe the same of God. Once we accept him as our Heavenly Father, He will always be our Heavenly Father. Although I do believe that some children, who will tell you they are adopted, may not accept the adoption in their heart for whatever reason. The same goes for people claiming to be Christians. You have to accept the Father with your whole heart. Not knowing for sure, but I think anybody who 'slips' away never accepted with their whole heart.
...I've been considering this a bit. We're going to be adopting our third child. Because the adoption is an international adoption, the wait for us will be a long one. Once that child is in our hands, that child is ours. Someday our child may decide to leave home for some reason. No matter what that child does will he (or she) be any less our child? Once you are a parent, you are always a parent and you cannot write off your children. You may say you are writing your child off, but the fact remains, that is your child.
I believe the same of God. Once we accept him as our Heavenly Father, He will always be our Heavenly Father. Although I do believe that some children, who will tell you they are adopted, may not accept the adoption in their heart for whatever reason. The same goes for people claiming to be Christians. You have to accept the Father with your whole heart. Not knowing for sure, but I think anybody who 'slips' away never accepted with their whole heart.
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The problem with what you have just said is that you are taking your decision and confining God with it. That's not the way that things ought to work. Regardless though, if your child leaves you, you cannot keep them. They can separate themselves from you and remove you from their family - in other words, unadpot you. This can, and does happen.
God's faithfulness is never in question. NEVER. The question is can men leave God. The answer from the Scriptures is yes.
God's faithfulness is never in question. NEVER. The question is can men leave God. The answer from the Scriptures is yes.
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aggie03 said:Well, we have to be careful how we read each others words. We can't hear their voices - so what we think might be said with searing sarcasm may be genuimne and heart fealt. That's why I like the smiley faces
Sometimes people are a little harsher than called for, though ususally that is a temporary situation. Sometimes I might be harsher than I should. What we have to remember is that these posts that we make are here for as long as ChristianForums is around...someone who is genuinely seeking the Truth may come across a thread you write in one time and have the Scriptures "open their mind" like Lydia did in Acts 16. I find that when I think about things in that context, I can put up with a great deal - even though most of the problem is the fact that I can't hear others actually talking. Does this make any sense? I hope so
Yes, you make sense. thank you.
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aggie03 said:
which decision is that? If I were the child and decided not to be a part of the family? I think of God as our Heavenly Father and I don't think we can be 'in and out' of the family. I do know we are cautioned but this could be because some of us are not fully walking with God. Many of Jesus' disciples deserted Him but they were not really walking with Him to begin with. Jesus Himself said nobody comes to Him unless the Father enables him. I just don't believe it is as easy as some believe to fall away from the Father.
Believe me, I've had to accept that despite the dysfunction of my hubby's family and no matter how far we live from them, they are his family. Words are words. You can disown something all you want but that doesn't make it disowned.
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aggie03 said:
okay...believe me, I'm in no way, shape or form saying that my answer is absolute. As I stated awhile ago in the beginning this is something I am just starting to learn about. I've read some interesting commentary on both sides of the coin here and keep pouring over the verses and praying trying to understand. Somehow, though I keep being reminded that I am a child of God and will always be His. I get a bit emotional just thinking about that.
wow...
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TreeOfLife said:
joyinhim, if you are not you should be proud that you are not. Why do you dodge?
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