Can you fall from being saved?

[Jim Woodell]

Do you realize you are judging too? We are all judging each other. Let's not fool ourselves.

That was the point of post 154.

 

[joyinhim]

That was the point of post 154.

And that was my reply. If you repeat the same thing and I will repeat the same thing too.

 

[naos]

Thank you for your honesty. I thought you were cute in that way.

Oh that cut to the heart. Cute?! I'm a guy! We aren't supposed to be cute! I repent!

But naos, I ask you a question. Where did you get this kind of salvation? From your local church? Your friend?

Studying my bible.

John 16:13
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
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All that I know, or care to know, can be found there in those 66 books. Trust God, He is.

 

[joyinhim]

Oh that cut to the heart. Cute?! I'm a guy! We aren't supposed to be cute! I repent!



Studying my bible.

John 16:13
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
NKJV

All that I know, or care to know, can be found there in those 66 books. Trust God, He is.

Are you sure you have been reading the Whole Bible? Whole New Testament?

 

[naos]

Are you sure you have been reading the Whole Bible? Whole New Testament?

That's cold. Don't do that.

If you are a Christian, yet you do not understand Grace, that's OK. If you do not understand it is not a charge to be held against you. We are called to Liberty. I only encourage you to find out what that means.

 

[joyinhim]

That's cold. Don't do that.

If you are a Christian, yet you do not understand Grace, that's OK. If you do not understand it is not a charge to be held against you. We are called to Liberty. I only encourage you to find out what that means.

I am sorry, but you seem to be reading selectively. Bcause when I became a Christian the New Testament inspired me to change my way of living and mentality right away.

 

[naos]

I am sorry, but you seem to be reading selectively. Bcause when I became a Christian the New Testament inspired me to change my way of living and mentality right away.

Well then that's the difference. The Living God changed me through not one filthy effort of my own.

 

[joyinhim]

Well then that's the difference. The Living God changed me through not one filthy effort of my own.

You make it sound like you don't have to do anything to change. Of course we have to ask God to help us to change, but still we have to do our part, you know.

 

[Godzchild]

You make it sound like you don't have to do anything to change. Of course we have to ask God to help us to change, but still we have to do our part, you know.

Our part is to believe in Jesus. He does the changing.

 

[Godzchild]

Willful sin as in "I know what God says but I do not care I am going to do it any way"

I believe that is the sin that can take us away from God,

If a child of God did that, the HOly Spirit would bring them to repentence..and a child of God would repent. If they dont' repent then they are not a child of God. NOTHING can take a truel child of God away from God.

 

[Godzchild]

Galatians 3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Have ye suffered so many things in vain? If it be yet in vain.



For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the bood of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith:



But the scripture hath concluded ALL UNDER SIN, that the promise BY FAITH of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



Wherefore the law was our school master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOL MASTER.



Galatians 4 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba Father. Wherefore thou art NO MORE A SERVANT but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.



But now after that ye have known God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?



Galatians 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.



Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from Grace.





Ephesians 1 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.



Ephesians 2 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[aggie03]

If a child of God did that, the HOly Spirit would bring them to repentence..and a child of God would repent. If they dont' repent then they are not a child of God. NOTHING can take a truel child of God away from God.

This is not true, at least I have never seen anyone able to prove it. Can you find a place in the New Testament where it ever says that someone who became a Christian but later left "wasn't really a Christian"?

I have been looking for such a passage for quite some time and have not been able to find it. Please, I would like to see something that teaches this explictly.

 

[Godzchild]

This is not true, at least I have never seen anyone able to prove it. Can you find a place in the New Testament where it ever says that someone who became a Christian but later left "wasn't really a Christian"?

I have been looking for such a passage for quite some time and have not been able to find it. Please, I would like to see something that teaches this explictly.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Also there are passages that talk about the Lord's sheep not able to be plucked out of the father's hand. And for his children being kept by the power of the Lord.

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (I Pet. 1:5)

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" (Philip. 1:6)

I know that I'm going to Heaven because GOD is preserving me. I'm not preserving my own Salvation. I wasn't saved by my good works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:5), so I do not STAY saved by my good works. I am KEPT by the POWER OF GOD, not by my own power! God is able to keep me from falling (Jude 24), because I'm HIS child and I'm in the palm of HIS hand (Jn. 10:28-29). Ephesians 4:30 says that I have been SEALED by the Holy Spirit of God until the day of redemption! I'm not worried about losing my Salvation. I KNOW I'm going to Heaven because I'm being preserved by God's power.

 

[naos]

Excellent posts Godzchild.

 

[deu58]

hi all

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

This is reflected in the teaching of Jesus himself,

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The operative word here being NEVER. he never knew them, They did not lose their Salvation, They never had it in the first place, You can not lose what you never had, True repentance brings true salvation. Which you can not lose,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[naos]

Rom 8:37-39
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
NKJV

Notice that "created things" are included in this list of things that cannot separate us from God.

We are created things.

 

[deu58]

Hello Naos

Rom 8:37-39
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
NKJV

Notice that "created things" are included in this list of things that cannot separate us from God.

We are created things.

Yes but what else needs to be remembered is that we are created beings born separated from God, We need to make a consious free will choice somewhere in our lives to be reunited with him through his son or else we spend our whole lives and then die separated from him,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[naos]

Hello Naos


Yes but what else needs to be remembered is that we are created beings born separated from God, We need to make a consious free will choice somewhere in our lives to be reunited with him through his son or else we spend our whole lives and then die separated from him,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Freewill is an illusion.

 

[deu58]

Hi Naos

Freewill is an illusion.

No I do not think so, It is just that the choices are limited, For instance when I walked in the world I knew and believed in God, But I did not like him.

He seemed a tryant to me, My attitude was i did want to to serve God or Satan. Just leave me alone and go play your silly game and fight your war someplace else,

I just wanted to go the way of the dog and the cat, Fall in a hole and be done with it,

Not an option, We have freewill but we are given only two choices, Not three,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[naos]

Hi Naos



No I do not think so, It is just that the choices are limited, For instance when I walked in the world I knew and believed in God, But I did not like him.

He seemed a tryant to me, My attitude was i did want to to serve God or Satan. Just leave me alone and go play your silly game and fight your war someplace else,

I just wanted to go the way of the dog and the cat, Fall in a hole and be done with it,

Not an option, We have freewill but we are given only two choices, Not three,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Somebody once said "you gotta serve somebody". Bob got that one right.

Rom 6:15-20
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
NKJV


Freewill is a construct and byproduct of being an intellegent being, as opposed to animals that run on pure instinct.

Freewill is a smokescreen for pride.