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It is not the 'knowledge' of bible seminaries that matters. Regardless of how elevated that may be above God's word in the minds and hearts of some people. No one needs lack knowledge of creation, God up and told us. Also, what we need for understanding the bible is the Spirit of God. It will then be clear to us that God is neither senile and contradictory and pathetic by giving contradictory versions of creation. Anyone pretending otherwise is indeed talking out of their hat.I am afraid not.
The dark matter and energy one is funny. It's invented to help hypotheses hold together. We've never seen it or detected it in any way. It's a faith thing.Sure, I put a weight on everything. See Dark matter, dark energy, and the spiritual realm.
In other words the scores and scores of precise life spans, when they had babies, when they died, are all false and not to be believed according to you. Instead, you latch on to recent history to try and justify your unbelief. Science and modern records are a drop in the pan compared to the history of man. Calling recent longer life spans 'scientific' is comically short sighted.And you have never heard that those do not need to be literal. If you mean scientific life spans, then those are actually growing.
This is all about out interpretation and understanding of the written word of God.How does such a question add to Genesis?
A lot of things we do not detect. We just see the effect they have so we do out best to understand the cause. Dark matter's presence is inferred from gravitational effects, such as the way galaxies rotate and cluster together.We've never seen it or detected it in any way.
Check out Adam, Eve, and evolution and follow up thereBut creating completely new species? Nope.
Picture Walmart shoppersNot really.
Yes. I understand. However, that implies the hypotheses as they currently stand are correct. It's making up for stuff that makes no sense, so they throw an imaginary (and it is, until it is detected) substance to explain it.A lot of things we do not detect. We just see the effect they have so we do out best to understand the cause. Dark matter's presence is inferred from gravitational effects, such as the way galaxies rotate and cluster together.
A tree is known by what kind of fruit it has. Interpretation is known the same way. When interpretation leads to not believing in Adam and Eve as real, or tells us that God gave us contradictory chapters to start the bible, we know it is not good or of God.This is all about out interpretation and understanding of the written word of God.
I agree with you regarding the concept of knowing a tree by its fruit, but I see the book of Genesis mainly as a form of poetry. I am not convinced that the serpent is the "person", Satan. And I also think it's possible that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just like a lot of fruit trees in the garden, but by God telling them not to eat of it, it gave them personal experience/knowledge of good and evil when they disobeyed.A tree is known by what kind of fruit it has. Interpretation is known the same way. When interpretation leads to not believing in Adam and Eve as real, or tells us that God gave us contradictory chapters to start the bible, we know it is not good or of God.
2 Corinthians 11:3I agree with you regarding the concept of knowing a tree by its fruit, but I see the book of Genesis mainly as a form of poetry. I am not convinced that the serpent is the "person", Satan.
We can speculate.And I also think it's possible that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just like a lot of fruit trees in the garden, but by God telling them not to eat of it, it gave them personal experience/knowledge of good and evil when they disobeyed.
Less than a day. If anyone doubts, we can read itI think we add a LOT of baggage to the actual language and words in our bibles. I like to ask folks sometimes, when they make the claim that the earth is 6000 years old, how much time passed between Genesis 1:1 and 1:3?
No. The 6000 is an educated, bible based guess as to when Adam lived. Since he was created at the beginning, that tells us when it all started here.Maybe the takeaway is not that the earth is 6000 years old, but that this AGE is 6000 years old.
No. Not if we believe it was created.We believe the science that the earth is a ball orbiting the sun. Why can we not believe that the earth really is quite old?
Not true. All evidence is subject to belief based interpretationThe evidence is quite literally overwhelming.
No. It denies all sorts of facts about creation. If a day was not a day, how long do you think Adam could have lived before woman was created? Claiming millions of years makes no sense. Most people who go down the road you speak of end up denying there was a real woman made from a created real man. etc etcIt's not that it contradicts what the bible says. Rather, it contradicts how some interpret what the bible says.
Jesus talked about hell more than anyone else in the bible.And Jesus never talked about Hell. But that is another subject for another thread.
Sorry, I don't have time to parse all those answers into responses in a single post (like you did). I confess that part of it is that I've debated this stuff for years or, in some cases, decades. And I mean against every single argument you brought up. I'm seventy. It took me to a few years ago to realize that I need to heed what the bible says about arguing secondary stuff. We shouldn't be quarrelsome, so I'm not - any more.2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him
Unless you want to wave away John and Paul and other parts of the bible as well, there can be no doubt who the serpent is
We can speculate.
Less than a day. If anyone doubts, we can read it
Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day
That encompasses the things done before the day was mentioned as being a day. In the same way all other days are likewise denoted
No. The 6000 is an educated, bible based guess as to when Adam lived. Since he was created at the beginning, that tells us when it all started here.
No. Not if we believe it was created.
Not true. All evidence is subject to belief based interpretation
No. It denies all sorts of facts about creation. If a day was not a day, how long do you think Adam could have lived before woman was created? Claiming millions of years makes no sense. Most people who go down the road you speak of end up denying there was a real woman made from a created real man. etc etc
Jesus talked about hell more than anyone else in the bible.
Example:
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
No sense arguing it is plain as day the dragon or serpent is Satan and that he was there in Eden.Sorry, I don't have time to parse all those answers into responses in a single post (like you did). I confess that part of it is that I've debated this stuff for years or, in some cases, decades. And I mean against every single argument you brought up. I'm seventy. It took me to a few years ago to realize that I need to heed what the bible says about arguing secondary stuff. We shouldn't be quarrelsome, so I'm not - any more.
Probably. But possibly not. I don't hang my Christianity on it, the age of the earth, etc. I'll throw this out: I don't think he was a snake.No sense arguing it is plain as day the dragon or serpent is Satan and that he was there in Eden.
Check out The evolving role of satan [lowercase]No sense arguing it is plain as day the dragon or serpent is Satan and that he was there in Eden.
Its a joke if you believe that everything evolved from a single cell organism instead of God creating it.When is this joke of a thread going to be over and done with. The answer is, and always will be, "yes, a person can be a Christian and believe in evolution." And this isn't to say that all Christians, everywhere, for all time hence, have to believe in evolution. No, you can be a Christian and a Creationist if you like. Either way, we're Christians.
If I had my way, this secondary issue would be relegated to the back burner where it belongs ... it's tiresome to see it repeated ad infinitum.
Why do you feel a need to change my words to different words... "in other words"?In other words the scores and scores of precise life spans, when they had babies, when they died, are all false and not to be believed according to you. Instead, you latch on to recent history to try and justify your unbelief. Science and modern records are a drop in the pan compared to the history of man. Calling recent longer life spans 'scientific' is comically short sighted.
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