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Chapter 2 is fleshing out some points in what was already finished. Look at verse 1 in chapter two. It says it was all finished. All chapter one tells us is that man was created on a certain day.Nobody is talking about chapter 2. Were talking about in the beginning, chapter 1. Chapter 2 is not retelling chapter 1.
No. Genesis 2 isn't retelling anything about Genesis 1. Chapter 2 comes after chapter 1. They occur in order just like any other chapters in the book. You read chapters sequentially. You don't flip chapters around and replay stories or anything like that.Chapter 2 is fleshing out some points in what was already finished. Look at verse 1 in chapter two. It says it was all finished. All chapter one tells us is that man was created on a certain day.
But does being made in God’s image imply being a moral being? As in having moral capacity and moral values?I'm fine with Romans 1:20, even though its addressing enemies of God, I don't mind the conclusion that general revelation of God is available to all people.
Romans 2:6, Paul is referring to the saints, "to those who by patience in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality". I don't think we can use this one because it implies awareness of the Law. Lucy wouldn't seek immortality for example because she wouldn't know of it.
Romans 3:10, I'm fine with Lucy being under sin. Same with 3:23.
And yes, being made in the Image of God does not mean being made morally perfect and without sin.
Untrue. Acts 7 has a lot of retelling, for example.No. Genesis 2 isn't retelling anything about Genesis 1. Chapter 2 comes after chapter 1. They occur in order just like any other chapters in the book. You read chapters sequentially. You don't flip chapters around and replay stories or anything like that.
Nobody ever reads the Bible and starts reversing the chapters around or having chapters retelling the same thing that just happened. That's not how the Bible is written.
Not by name yet. Irrelevant. God explains more in chapter 2. Sorry if you thought chapter 2 was some sort of confused second creation or some other disconnected word salad.Nope. Adam and Eve and their children are never mentioned in chapter 1.
The word man from Hebrew means thisYou're assuming that chapter 1 is talking about them, however the text simply says "humanity" or "mankind" more broadly.
Says who? Do we know that He made more than two of each? Naturally, when He made so many kinds the sea would abound with sea life.Look at the other days of Genesis.
God creates fish. Population. Not just 2.
As above. Says who?God creates birds. Population. Not just 2.
No one said He only made 2 stars. That is a strawman. When He made only one moon and one sun, we are told exactly that. He made THE sun etc. It does not say 'He made THE star'! No. He made the stars.God creates the stars. Population. Not just 2.
Yes, only 2 people. Why not 2 animals as well?God creates the land animals. Population. Not just 2.
Yes we first read chapter one. By the time we get to 2 it states it was all finished. Then it gives more details. of what just happened. No flipping involved.No. Genesis 2 isn't retelling anything about Genesis 1. Chapter 2 comes after chapter 1. They occur in order just like any other chapters in the book. You read chapters sequentially. You don't flip chapters around and replay stories or anything like that.
God gave chapter 2 after chapter one. That IS how the bible is written. The gospel is actually told 4 times.Nobody ever reads the Bible and starts reversing the chapters around or having chapters retelling the same thing that just happened. That's not how the Bible is written.
I don't think that ancient Israelites thought in those terms. But I think that because Lucy could sin, the answer would be that the Imago Dei did not produce a moral capacity in people. People would already have the ability beforehand to do good or evil.But does being made in God’s image imply being a moral being? As in having moral capacity and moral values?
Nah, Genesis 2 is sequel to Genesis 1. That's why Brown-Driver-Briggs notes in the very first definition listed "man,mankind" because it speaks of mankind as a whole. You cant force the Bible to say something that it doesn't say. And what it doesn't say is "Let us create Adam and Eve in our image". I'm sorry but the Bible just doesn't say that.Not by name yet. Irrelevant. God explains more in chapter 2. Sorry if you thought chapter 2 was some sort of confused second creation or some other disconnected word salad.
The word man from Hebrew means this
Brown-Driver-Briggs'
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley
Despite your wish to harp on the wrong definition for some reason, the context is more than clear. It is also confirmed elsewhere in the bible.
1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Jesus was no more a large group of beings than Adam is.
Says who? Do we know that He made more than two of each? Naturally, when He made so many kinds the sea would abound with sea life.
As above. Says who?
No one said He only made 2 stars. That is a strawman. When He made only one moon and one sun, we are told exactly that. He made THE sun etc. It does not say 'He made THE star'! No. He made the stars.
Yes, only 2 people. Why not 2 animals as well?
The Gospel writers do not read their narratives in reverse order. They don't start with the crucifixion and then go to the sermon on the mount.Yes we first read chapter one. By the time we get to 2 it states it was all finished. Then it gives more details. of what just happened. No flipping involved.
God gave chapter 2 after chapter one. That IS how the bible is written. The gospel is actually told 4 times.
Well, Chronicles do as well, but here you're looking at a completely separate book.Untrue. Acts 7 has a lot of retelling, for example.
Also, on the contrary, if you watched the video I shared a few days ago, you'll notice that, Chapter 2 begins with a teledoth.Untrue. Acts 7 has a lot of retelling, for example.
Why wouldn’t they? People are people and all people know right and wrong, do they not? Why would the ancient Israelites think anything different?I don't think that ancient Israelites thought in those terms.
Are all people made in the image of God, or only some?But I think that because Lucy could sin, the answer would be that the Imago Dei did not produce a moral capacity in people. People would already have the ability beforehand to do good or evil.
also, in addition to my last post on teledoths, ancient near east texts of a very similar nature to Genesis, such as Enuma Elish, ancient near east texts don't limit creation of humanity to 2 people. Granted, we don't want ancient literature to be imposed onto the Bible. But what this tells us is that, in these times, this was a common way to write. When mankind was created, it actually meant mankind, and not just Adam. It meant Adam (mankind) not Adam (one man). Also, the text doesn't have a definite article, so its not singular either. It doesn't say "Let us create the man in our image" it just says "let us create man in our image". So its not even identified as singular either.Untrue. Acts 7 has a lot of retelling, for example.
Genesis 5:1 literally starts with a repetition of Genesis 1:27.And teledoth literary introductions never repeat narratives.
Here are a list of all teledoth in Genesis:
Genesis 5:1
Genesis 6:9
Genesis 10:1
Genesis 11:10
Genesis 11:27
Genesis 25:12
Genesis 25:19
Genesis 36:1
Genesis 36:9
Genesis 37:2
These teledoth literary introductions, you can look at every single one of them, and you will never find that they introduce a retelling of the same story.
The Bible just isn't written that way. They most often tell sequels. That is, the chapters after the teledoths happen after the chapter before the teledoth. Chronologically. Like any regular book or story. You read chapter 1, then you read chapter 2. In order.
Why wouldn’t they? People are people and all people know right and wrong, do they not? Why would the ancient Israelites think anything different?
Are all people made in the image of God, or only some?
But the narrative that comes after 5:1 doesn't retell the narrative before 5:1. These are completely different parts of Genesis.Genesis 5:1 literally starts with a repetition of Genesis 1:27.
Here, I'll explain further.Genesis 5:1 literally starts with a repetition of Genesis 1:27.
Not only does Genesis 5:1 start from repeating Genesis 1:27, but it makes it the same story as Adam.Also, on the contrary, if you watched the video I shared a few days ago, you'll notice that, Chapter 2 begins with a teledoth.
And teledoth literary introductions never repeat narratives.
Here are a list of all teledoth in Genesis:
Genesis 5:1
Genesis 6:9
Genesis 10:1
Genesis 11:10
Genesis 11:27
Genesis 25:12
Genesis 25:19
Genesis 36:1
Genesis 36:9
Genesis 37:2
These teledoth literary introductions, you can look at every single one of them, and you will never find that they introduce a retelling of the same story.
The Bible just isn't written that way. They most often tell sequels. That is, the chapters after the teledoths happen after the chapter before the teledoth. Chronologically. Like any regular book or story. You read chapter 1, then you read chapter 2. In order.
the only exception to sequels, are separate narratives that occur with overlapping times. Like Genesis 36:1 with Ishmael and Isaac. But overall, as noted above, these introductions, these literary intros to stories, they don't re-tell stories. They almost always simply tell sequels.Here, I'll explain further.
Genesis 5:1, we have our introduction "these are the generations" or "this is the book of the generations".
And as we read, we see that the story is about Adams descendents. Seth, Enosh, Kenan, It lays out this genealogy. And it goes all the way to Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japeth.
But, we don't see Noah in Chapter 4 for example. Chapter 5 is tells us information that happens after chapter 4. Chapter 5 tells us about events that happen after chapter 4.
Or, lets pick another one.
Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah.
Right, we know this story. Its the story of Noahs flood. But what about before this? It talks about the nephelim and the sons of God (that introduced their own form of sin to the land which prompted God to flood the earth).
So here again, the teledoth introduces a story that comes after the narrative before it. That is, Chapter 6:9 tells us the story of the flood, and before 6:9 is the pre-flood events.
Right, so we read the Bible in order. And these teledoth formulas, they almost always tell sequels. Part 2. Heres what comes next. They never re-tell stories.
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