Worry about the other 99.99% first. The exceptions can be dealt with
one at a time.
We do it all the time, from forced medical care to forced psychiatric care, to intervention for drug use or attempted suicide. When there is another
life involved, then it gets even stricter
Your beliefs, based on your interpretations do not matter. What matters is that people believe the bible is the absolute true word of god. What matters is what people believe based on their interpretations. There is enough stuff in the bible to support almost anything.But that "justification" does not, and did not, stand up to actual Scriptural scrutiny.
American slavery had nothing to do with God. It was American idolatry, of money, leading Americans to brutalize massive numbers of fellow Christians in order to get rich, in this life, and earn themselves the fire of damnation in the next.
The only morally acceptable option I can agree with is what I articulated before to Archivist. His number two read "lfe and health of the mother" adjusted to leave out the health term. ...
So only a "life of the mother" claus can clearly eliminate all ambiguity in the law and satisfy the moral requirements.
What group of people advocated abolishing slavery. Yes ,Christians led the abolishment movement.
Ecco,
If you are going to make accusations against the Church then why don't you go to it for a source relative to her teaching?
... This is an anti-Catholic misrepresentation. ...the Church does not hold to Martin Luther's erronious teaching ...Catholic teaching agrees with only the latter "sola gratia"
I ...showed you the various translations and the Hebrew.... I also pointed out that some English translations fixed the translation as in the NASB..
redleghunter Post #501 said:The Exodus reference is wrong. The word for miscarriage does not appear in the Hebrew.
redleghunter Post # 497 said:There's nothing to interpret from the direct words from God.
The scientific definition of life also applies to gametes and tissue cells. That's what makes this whole thing confusing, because we have no taboo against menstrual cycles or exfoliating.
Somehow my nation, the USA made it through without abortion, until 1973.
We need some truly Godly leaders in order to turn things around, and to begin to promote family values. unfortunately, I don't see this happening.
It seems that Christians have believed that we are going in the wrong direction even before we were a nation.As a nation, we are going the wrong direction, and it is sad to see.
Your opinion is scientifically in error:
WHEN DO HUMAN BEINGS BEGIN?
"SCIENTIFIC" MYTHS AND SCIENTIFIC FACTS
Dianne N. Irving, M.A., Ph.D.
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html
But it's not. I don't believe it's enough. An embryo is alive, yes, obviously. I'm still pro-choice.
What on earth are you talking about? I said nothing of the kind.
You seem to be suggesting that merely giving poor women and children food stamps is somehow sufficient. It is not. People need stability. That means housing, health care, good educations and stable food supply. If we just barely keep people alive at the margins we are not doing our Christian duties to them, and what is more, we are guaranteeing that we will have more dysfunction in future generations.
No. To cut off the cycle of dependency, we actually have to provide STABILITY, long term, so that the children of marginal people are THEMSELVES not marginalized by poverty. We have to provide what we would call a "middle class lifestyle" - good nutrition and health care, and clean and safe housing, and good schools. And that means that parents that some consider "deadbeats" or "immoral", or whatever, are in fact going to get a free ride because where the child is, the parents are.
When you properly raise up the children, they are far less likely to bring forward the crime and marginalization to the next generation.
WIC alone does not cut it. We must do a lot more than that.
And that means tax hikes, especially on the wealthy, and it means a rethink of our whole national "security" (really "imperial") military posture. To afford to do it right, we have to get out of the business of empire.
All of this is pretty darned near the opposite of the straw man you set up and knocked down.
I did not demonstrate that I cannot be taken seriously, but you sure demonstrated a major reading comprehension problem (if you actually READ what you commented on - I'm betting you did not and just assumed a bunch of positions).
Managed to find that scripture where God says not to abort yet? Ipsie dixit just lacks... flavor somehow.
Abortion was not legal before 1973. Therefore, abortion were occurring at a fraction of a percentage compared with today.Are you saying there were no abortions in the USA prior to 1973?
Maybe all Christians need to come together and lead us out of temptation.
The Great Awakening was an evangelical and revitalization movement that swept Protestant Europe and British America, and especially the American colonies in the 1730s and 1740s, leaving a permanent impact on American Protestantism. ...
The movement was a monumental social event in New England, which challenged established authority and incited rancor and division between traditionalist Protestants who insisted on the continuing importance of ritual and doctrine, and the revivalists, who encouraged emotional involvement. It had a major impact in reshaping the Congregational church, the Presbyterian church, the Dutch Reformed Church, and the German Reformed denomination, and strengthened the small Baptist and Methodist Anglican denominations.
Well, that didn't work.
The Second Great Awakening was a religious revival movement during the early 19th century in theUnited States. The movement began around 1790, gained momentum by 1800 and, after 1820, membership rose rapidly among Baptist and Methodist congregations whose preachers led the movement. ...
The revivals enrolled millions of new members in existing evangelical denominations and led to the formation of new denominations. Many converts believed that the Awakening heralded a new millennial age. The Second Great Awakening stimulated the establishment of many reform movements designed to remedy the evils of society before the anticipated Second Coming of Jesus Christ.[1]
Hmm, I guess Christians cannot all come together even when they want to remedy the evils of society.
It seems that Christians have believed that we are going in the wrong direction even before we were a nation.
I don't believe I've said anything about what I would personally choose. I can't really know, anyway, since there are so many different sets of circumstances that could lead to that.Yes the embryo is alive and is a human being. By your statements you would not personally kill that human being but would let others make the decision to do so.
Am I correct in my assessment?
The direct "words from God" don't say what you say they say.
Then surely you agree that a fertilized ball of cells is not a person? It is to a person what an acorn is to an oak tree.
Show me one serious scientific text that makes such a claim?An acorn if fertilized and germinates is in fact very small oak tree.
Scientists define conception as the point in which a new distinct human being is formed.
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