Can we reach a compromise regarding abortion?

[KCfromNC]

KC,
Simply put there is only one morally permissable way to prevent a child from coming into this world and that is refrain from sexual intercourse.

Wrong.

See, making up baseless assertions is easy. Anyone can do it. They're meaningless hot air - which is why I'm ignoring the one you made at the start of your post.

 

[KCfromNC]

No, the nature of the conflict is a matter of life and death, not a matter of debating skills.

Then why are you here debating rather than taking up arms to prevent the slaughter of innocent babies? Something's not adding up here - if this were really the most vital question facing America today, you'd think the people who believed this would be doing more than writing paragraph after paragraph of empty propaganda.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not true and I refuted you on this in another thread.
There is no miscarriage or still birth in Exodus 21. The Hebrew word for such does not appear.

All you have to do is convince the people in charge of the various Bibles which disagree with you to revise their their translations and I'll be happy to agree with your assertions here. Get to it.

 

[KCfromNC]

I pointed this out to you on another thread and showed you the various translations and the Hebrew. You shrugged it off.

Yep. The opinion of a random anonymous poster on the internet isn't going to trump the fact that various translations do use the word miscarriage. You wouldn't agree with my assertions that those translations are correct. Not sure why you'd think your guess on the matter is any more convincing.

I also pointed out that some English translations fixed the translation as in the NASB.

Just as I pointed out that others haven't changed their mind on the matter.

So unless you are going to show us some exegesis of the verses involved or at least an expository discussion of such, you are just some internet interloper posting talking points from some website.

Or I can just point out that despite your assertions that you know it all, there are still experts in the field who disagree with your opinion. After all, even though you've assured us that your version of this is correct there are other legitimate translations which directly contradict your claim. Have fun convincing the experts who produced them that they are wrong.

 

[KCfromNC]

What's honest about using euphemisms for murder?

I don't know why some anti-abortion activists insist that a legal medical procedure is murder. You'd have to ask them.

 

[KCfromNC]

The scholars who used miscarriage or still birth are clearly in error. They form a very small minority and have engaged in eisegesis, the method of interpreting scriptures with a bias.

He quoted it 4 times by my counting:

Exodus 20:

13 Thou shalt not kill.

Speaking of a small minority of translations, I can't help but notice that most of the modern translation disagree with the translation you've chosen for Ex 20:13. See http://biblehub.com/exodus/20-13.htm. Can we conclude from this that you are also engaged in a "method of interpreting scriptures with a bias"?

 

[Dave-W]

Saving babies is going to be expensive and cost us very dearly. It's not simply a matter of decreeing that abortion shall end. End abortion, and the ranks of the poor will expand rapidly. We have to have a safety net in place to support them that is much better than we have now.

Right. That means that middle and upper class families will have to adopt those kids.

 

[Dave-W]

What scripture specifically states that ensoulment takes place at conception?

Scripture never deals with "ensoulment" after Genesis 2.

Genesis 2.7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And since it was a general consensus that Adam was made as an adult, trying to use that to determine timing of "ensoulment" in pregnancy is futile.

 

[Archivist]

Try actually providing a source.

I was traveling over the weekend so I was unable to take time to provide sources. Since I have asked the mods to close this thread, you will find sources in the thread The Founding Fathers: Why the veneration?

 

[Truthfrees]

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