Can we fall from grace ?

[lori milne]

what scripture says a believer can lose their salvation.

If you read the whole passage it will show you
Brethren falling away.
their are a lot more!

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall 1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬ KJV

 

[lori milne]

what scripture says a believer can lose their salvation.

Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
[bless and do not curse]Ezekiel‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV

 

[walkinginthelightnow]

what scripture says a believer can lose their salvation.

Are you seriously asking that question after the above scriptures and references I noted.

Israel was saved from Egypt but died in the wilderness. You can be saved from your sin but die in your willful sin.


1 John- "He that sinneth is of the devil. NOTICE the "eth" That means continuous practice. Those who know to do good and do it not it is sin. Those who are living in habitual sin, are sinning willfully.

We need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. This road is not easy by any means. Temptations are daily. We must DIE to the flesh. Cut off sin. Mortify the deeds of the flesh. Strive to enter in. Deny ourselves (the flesh). etc etc etc.

YES, you can lose your inheritance, see ESAU.

"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins." NLT Hebrews 10:26

 

[lori milne]

Are you seriously asking that question after the above scriptures and references I noted. Israel was saved from Egypt but died in the wilderness. You can be saved from your sin but die in your willful sin. 1 John- "He that sinneth is of the devil. NOTICE the "eth" That means continuous practice. Those who know to do good and do it not it is sin. Those who are living in habitual sin, are sinning willfully. We need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. This road is not easy by any means. Temptations are daily. We must DIE to the flesh. Cut off sin. Mortify the deeds of the flesh. Strive to enter in. Deny ourselves (the flesh). etc etc etc. YES, you can lose your inheritance, see ESAU. "Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins." NLT Hebrews 10:26

Amen !
I almost thought it to provoke in some manner ?
God forbid
Amen

This is in history and clearly known why we forget
Is scary To me!

before the New Testament was completely written, ungodly men had crept into the Church in an attempt to corrupt it by turning grace into lasciviousness. This was precisely the false gospel taught by Simon Magus, Nicholas of Samaria, Cerinthus and other “founders” of counterfeit Christianity.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Are you seriously asking that question after the above scriptures and references I noted.

Israel was saved from Egypt but died in the wilderness. You can be saved from your sin but die in your willful sin.


1 John- "He that sinneth is of the devil. NOTICE the "eth" That means continuous practice. Those who know to do good and do it not it is sin. Those who are living in habitual sin, are sinning willfully.

We need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. This road is not easy by any means. Temptations are daily. We must DIE to the flesh. Cut off sin. Mortify the deeds of the flesh. Strive to enter in. Deny ourselves (the flesh). etc etc etc.

YES, you can lose your inheritance, see ESAU.

"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins." NLT Hebrews 10:26

so what constitutes willful sin, didn't Jesus die for all our sins?

 

[lori milne]

so what constitutes willful sin, didn't Jesus die for all our sins?

Choose to sin and then don't feel guilty about it!

And that's willful .

 

[ToBeBlessed]

1 John- "He that sinneth is of the devil. NOTICE the "eth" That means continuous practice. Those who know to do good and do it not it is sin. Those who are living in habitual sin, are sinning willfully.

Do you have a document that proveth that 'eth' in sinneth meaneth continuous?

I've never heard that one before.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Choose to sin and then don't feel guilty about it!

And that's willful .

oh right so as long as yu feel guilty you can keep sinning? why did Jesus come if we are saved by the law?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Choose to sin and then don't feel guilty about it!

And that's willful .

Is the word willful sin in the bible? If the bible doesn't say that then how can we know that what you say is true? It has to be in the bible and the willful has to be describing the specific word sin.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

oh right so as long as yu feel guilty you can keep sinning? why did Jesus come if we are saved by the law?

Why is she now advocating sin as long as you feel guilty? I thought we weren't suppose to sin and be guilty.

 

[lori milne]

What does the dictionary say it means?

To willfully sin.
what it means is what I already wrote.
You can't change that with any book.
Those two together won't be found in a dictionary.

Repent to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contritefor past conduct; regret or beconscience-stricken about a past action,attitude, etc. (often followed by of):
He repented after his thoughtless act.

Sin1.
transgression of divine law:
the sin of Adam.

Willful
adjective
1.
deliberate, voluntary, or intentional:
The coroner ruled the death
willfulmurder.
2.
unreasonably stubborn or headstrong;self-willed.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Why is she now advocating sin as long as you feel guilty? I thought we weren't suppose to sin and be guilty.

not sure, i think the plot has been well and truly lost.

 

[lori milne]

If you sin willfully choose to sin and don't feel bad / repent
That is a willful sin

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

If you sin willfully choose to sin and don't feel bad / repent
That is a willful sin

so you can do as you like as long as you say sorry, how is that keeping the law. why did Jesus come?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

To willfully sin.
what it means is what I already wrote.
You can't change that with any book.
Those two together won't be found in a dictionary.

Repent to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contritefor past conduct; regret or beconscience-stricken about a past action,attitude, etc. (often followed by of):
He repented after his thoughtless act.

Sin1.
transgression of divine law:
the sin of Adam.

Willful
adjective
1.
deliberate, voluntary, or intentional:
The coroner ruled the death
willfulmurder.
2.
unreasonably stubborn or headstrong;self-willed.

I don't see any bible verses that have the words willful sin in them?

 

[BryanW92]

To willfully sin.

Sin is sin. It doesn't matter if it's willful or accidental. A lustful thought equals adultery. An angry thought equals murder.

As humans, we cannot be sinless. Even with the help of the Holy Spirit, we still listen to the flesh (see the paragraph above). We are to struggle to follow the law, and to fail at it. The only guilt is our own guilt for trying and failing, but we have no guilt with the Father because of the work of Jesus.

 

[walkinginthelightnow]

Do you have a document that proveth that 'eth' in sinneth meaneth continuous?

I've never heard that one before.

it's a verb,


-eth1
1.
an ending of the third person singular present indicative of verbs, now occurring only in archaic forms or used in solemn or poetic language: doethor doth; hopeth; sitteth.

Eth | Define Eth at Dictionary.com



Also, when looking at 1 john 3:8 for example, all the other translations aside from the original usage in the KJV have it a a verb.

sinneth KJV

keeps on sinning NLT

Practices sin ESV

Practices NASB

Commits

Practices

All show a pattern that eth clearly means a state of continuity.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

it's a verb,


-eth1
1.
an ending of the third person singular present indicative of verbs, now occurring only in archaic forms or used in solemn or poetic language: doethor doth; hopeth; sitteth.

Eth | Define Eth at Dictionary.com



Also, when looking at 1 john 3:8 for example, all the other translations aside from the original usage in the KJV have it a a verb.

sinneth KJV

keeps on sinning NLT

Practices sin ESV

Practices NASB

Commits

Practices

All show a pattern that eth clearly means a state of continuity.

I see how you could see that, but I have to look into it more on my own and read the parallel translations as well as the verses before and after the one you quoted to make sure that I put it in context.

But thanks, I'll take a look at it this weekend.

 

[lori milne]

Sin is sin. It doesn't matter if it's willful or accidental. A lustful thought equals adultery. An angry thought equals murder. As humans, we cannot be sinless. Even with the help of the Holy Spirit, we still listen to the flesh (see the paragraph above). We are to struggle to follow the law, and to fail at it. The only guilt is our own guilt for trying and failing, but we have no guilt with the Father because of the work of Jesus.

Yes amen
With his blood / we have FAITH to live sin free and be forgiven if we sin with true repentance!
Faith gives us righteousness that gives us grace / in Gods favor which gives us an urge / desire to follow the law

Romans 3:25-4:25

This is a subject of great controversy, leaving many confused.

But read what the NT says and we will understand

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Faith gives us righteousness that gives us grace / in Gods favor which gives us an urge / desire to follow the law

Red above.

Not quite.

Grace is what Jesus has bestowed UPON US by giving us the gift of salvation.

We, in faith, ACCEPT His grace in bestowing the gift of salvation upon us. The gift of salvation justifies us in Him and we are given the righteousness of Christ which imputed to us, makes us righteous also.

The terms used in the Word, if you want to be correct biblically, cannot just be tossed around carelessly and interwoven. These words have specific meanings.