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Can Salvation be lost?
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God is doing the saving and accomplishing what He sets out to do, and that is to save whoever repents and believes.
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I don't think satan is among the "everyone" BNR refered to ...
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And you really He'd allow any of us to be uniquely responsible for saving anyone ?
The "dust" that we are ?
Psalm 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
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There are several ways. They can intentionally turn away from Christ, they can fall away from belief, they can’t deny Christ, they can turn back to sin, they can also stay in or go back to worldliness, they can stay or become selfish, they can not obtain or lose all compassion for others.
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true, I just assumed that everyone understood the context of Jesus’ sacrifice for everyone. I thought we were talking about people not literally everyone. I didn’t expect that anyone here would presume that I was referring to everyone including satan, The Father, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus’ sacrifice didn’t save any of these entities either.
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I'm just saying God uses means to save people and He has decided it to be this way. Those means are the Bible, also us, we who pray and share the gospel, Christian music etc. I don't understand how anyone can be against that view. If you are a Calvinst I guess you can say that those prayers we pray and those being saved through our prayers are predetermined already by God, so I don't see the problem. I actually thought this was the view of most Calvinists.
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God absolutely does not save everyone He sets out to save.
Is God trying to save these people?
“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? Romans 2:4 NASB1995
Were they saved?
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
Romans 2:5 NASB1995
No they were not.
In John 5 Jesus is rebuking those who are seeking to kill Him and says to them
“But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved.”
John 5:34 NASB1995
Were they saved?
“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God? Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?””
John 5:39-47 NASB1995
No they were not.
Does Jesus save everyone He tries to?
“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; Luke 13:6-8 NASB1995
Are they guaranteed to be saved?
and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
Luke 13:9 NASB1995
No they’re not.
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Thank you. I also didn’t think that I needed to say that Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t to save The Father or the Holy Spirit as well, I just thought that would’ve been common knowledge amongst Christians.
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No we’re responsible for being a light in the darkness showing compassion to others and spreading His word. His word is what will save or condemn them, not us.
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This is all works. Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 3 that one's works can all be burnt up ... and yet, the believer is saved, as through the fire ...
1 Corinthians 3
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master-builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds thereon. But let every man take heed how he builds thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
I'd agree that it is a possibility that one can purposefully end their relationship with Christ.
That's how relationships end ... formally. God isn't the type to just let you slip away ...
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Yes that included every one of us as well and every Christian who ever lived including His apostles. No one is born a believer. Well John the Baptist might be an exception, I’m not sure.
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Believing in Christ is a work now? Having faith in Christ is a work? Abiding in Him is a work? You have no idea and your misquoting Paul. Key words to remember about 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 is “if anyone builds on that foundation”. What foundation is Paul referring to?
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God is willing to save those who desire to be saved.
His plan is not designed to save anyone who doesn't want to be saved.
He set the terms ... you must respond favorably ...
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God will always be calling backsliders to come back to repentance since they are sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, but He will not drag them back against their will. The Holy Spirit will always be convicting them of their sin and they will know it, but He will not force anyone to comply.
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Amen I completely agree. If we turn to Him, He will enable us thru His grace, but at the same time if we turn away He will urge us to repent but He won’t force us to.
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The foundation is Christ. It's in the quote.
I'm not talking about anyone who hasn't made Christ their foundation.
BTW ... where have I misquoted Paul ?
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