Can Salvation be lost?

[The Liturgist]

No, lets be honest. He said Romans 1 to Romans 11 or Galatians without showing any scripture in Romans 1 to Romans 11 that supports the claim that we can depart the faith and live a life in known unrepentant sin and still be saved, while over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here) have been provided showing that if we choose to depart the faith to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we will lose our salvation. Show me where in Romans 1 to Romans 11 it says anywhere we can depart the faith and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved? There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that supports this view. If you believe I am wrong here correct me and provide the scriptures that say we can depart the faith and continue to live in known unrepentant sin and still be saved? - There is none.

He said Romans 1 to 11 entire. If you read it objectively, you will see it is not contradictory to @Hammster’s view.

Quoting individual verses is actually a bad practice as it can lead to eisegesis. I think we would be better off if the minimum units of scripture we cited are the pericopes from the ancient lectionaries, together with the other related liturgical propers.

 

[Hammster]

I am indeed amused by this. You say that your arguments are what Paul writes in Romans without stating what Paul writes in Romans that shows that we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved? Which means you have not provided any scripture that supports your view point. What is more amazing I think is those who are rating your posts and agreeing with you without you showing any scripture that proves these claims, while over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here) have been provided showing that if we choose to depart the faith to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin we will lose our salvation.

I have a question. What do you hope to accomplish by lying about what I’ve said? You act like you are a brother in Christ, but these false accusations are troubling, to say the least.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have a question. What do you hope to accomplish by lying about what I’ve said? You act like you are a brother in Christ, but these false accusations are troubling, to say the least.

I have not lied in what I have said. I have only told the truth showing scripture that disagrees with your teachings in over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here). What is it that you are claiming that I am lying about in what you have said. Lets talk detail please. Aren't you claiming that believers cannot depart the faith and return to live in a life of known unrepentant sin and be lost?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He said Romans 1 to 11 entire. If you read it objectively, you will see it is not contradictory to @Hammster’s view.

Quoting individual verses is actually a bad practice as it can lead to eisegesis. I think we would be better off if the minimum units of scripture we cited are the pericopes from the ancient lectionaries, together with the other related liturgical propers.

Isn't this simply code for I have no scripture that says if we choose to depart the faith and choose to live in a life of known unrepentant sin we can still be saved? If you have no scripture to prove the above just say so. Why pretend that there is scripture that teaches that we can depart the faith and live in known unrepentant sin and unbelief and still be saved when there is none and the bible directly teaches those who do this will be lost in over 100 + scriptures here, here and here. You have yet to provide a single scripture that says we can depart the faith and live in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved, let alone prove claims of eisegesis. Let's start first with the scriptures. If you believe you have any provide them. If you haven't just say so. Let's discuss all the detail and bring everything to the light of Gods Word and see if what we believe is true or not.

 

[The Liturgist]

This is code for I have no scripture that says if we choose to depart the faith and choose to live in a life of known unrepentant sin we can still be saved. If you have no scripture to prove the above just say so. Why pretend that there is scripture that teaches that we can depart the faith and live in known unrepentant sin and unbelief and still be saved when there is none and the bible directly teaches those who do this will be lost in over 100 + scriptures here, here and here. You have yet to provide a single scripture let alone prove claims of eisegesis.

My post was my sincere belief, not code for anything. And I did provide a scripture - Galatians.

 

[Hammster]

I have not lied in what I have said. I have only told the truth showing scripture that disagree with your teachings in over 100 + scriptures (here, here and here). What is it that you are claiming that I am lying about in what you have said. Lets talk detail please. Aren't you claiming that believers cannot depart the faith and return to live in a life of known unrepentant sin and be lost?

You have lied. I have never said “we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved.” So now is your chance to retract you false statement about what I believe.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You have lied. I have never said “we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved.” So now is your chance to retract you false statement about what I believe.

No. I have not lied. Your claiming this..

Salvation cannot be lost. There’s no category in scripture for that.

When 100 + scriptures already provided show salvation can be lost here, here and here if we depart the faith and return to a life of known unrepentant sin. God's salvation is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says. No one receives God's salvation practicing known unrepentant sin and not believing and following what God's Word says. According to the scriptures already provided salvation can be lost if we choose to depart the faith and reject God's Word and live in a life of known unrepentant sin!

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My post was my sincere belief, not code for anything. And I did provide a scripture - Galatians.

You did not provide any scripture in Galatians that I saw saying we can depart the faith and receive God's salvation and not be lost. The whole bible teaches against sin and unbelief and warns us as believers against doing this or we will be in danger of the judgement (e.g. Hebrews 3:8-19; Hebrews 6:4-8; Hebrews 10:26-39)

 

[Hammster]

No. I have not lied. Your claiming this..

When a 100 + scriptures already provided show salvation can be lost here, here and here. God's salvation is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says. No one receives God's salvation practicing known unrepentant sin and not believing and following what God's Word says. According to the scriptures already provided salvation can be lost if we choose to depart the faith and reject God's Word and live in a life of known unrepentant sin!

Take Care.

So you aren’t going to retract your lie about what I said. That’s really really bad for a Christian. I’d expect from pagans.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you aren’t going to retract your lie about what I said. That’s really really bad for a Christian. I’d expect from pagans.

No. I have not lied. I have only told you the truth. Your claiming this..

Hammster said: ↑ Salvation cannot be lost. There’s no category in scripture for that.

When the scriptures teach that salvation can be lost if we depart the faith to return to unbelief and sin as shown in the scriptures here, here and here. Lies are not my side.

 

[Hammster]

No. I have not lied. I have only told you the truth. Your claiming this..

Your the one lying.

Have I ever said “we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved”?

No, I haven’t. So I’d like for you to retract that accusation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Have I ever said “we can depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and still be saved”? No, I haven’t. So I’d like for you to retract that accusation.

You know what I have posted was in context to our discussion. You claim that salvation cannot be lost. You were provided scripture that shows that salvation can be lost if we choose to depart the faith to return to unbelief and sin here, here and here. I asked you for scripture to show us that we can depart the faith and return to unbelief and sin and still be saved. I never said this is what you said! So please stop pretending that I did. That is the context to our discussion is it not? Anyhow I think I am done with this discussion with you. All your doing here now instead of having a friendly discussion about what the scriptures teach, is slandering my name and falsely accusing me of lying when I have only shared the truth with you. Anyhow the scriptures and discussion are there for all to see. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. No one said otherwise. I will leave you with the last say as I think you need it more than I do and I will leave it between you and God if you wish to apologize or not. I only wish you well.

Take Care

 

[Hammster]

You know what I have posted was in context to our discussion. You claim that salvation cannot be lost. You were provided scripture that shows that salvation can be lost if we choose to depart the faith to return to unbelief and sin here, here and here. I asked you for scripture to show us that we can depart the faith and return to unbelief and sin and still be saved. You provided none. That is the context to our discussion is it not? Anyhow I think I am done with this discussion. I have shared the scriptures for all to see. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. No one said otherwise. I will leave you with the last say as I think you need it more than I do.

Take Care

You slandered me by saying that I’ve said something that I have never said. I’ve given you ample opportunity to retract that statement. I really thought a professing Christian would man up and admit his mistake. I guess that’s my mistake.

 

[98cwitr]

There are differing views on salvation.

Some Christians believe that once saved, one cannot lose salvation. IOW, they believe that eternal life is guaranteed. On the flip side, there are those that believe that even though we are saved, we still have the risk of losing our and eternal life if we fail to abide in Christ until the end of our mortal life.

What is your position on this topic? Kindly support your case with relevant scriptures.

Salvation can be misperceived, but never actually had and lost.

 

[zoidar]

Salvation can be misperceived, but never actually had and lost.

I myself wouldn't dare to believe that, but that is me. I have no idea what life I would fall into if I believed I couldn't be lost. Believing I can lose salvation helps me stay on course.

 

[Hammster]

I myself wouldn't dare to believe that, but that is me. I have no idea what life I would fall into if I believed I couldn't be lost.

Why is that?

 

[zoidar]

Why is that?

Because I know I'm weak.

Even as it is now it's hard for me to resist a beautiful girl.

 

[A_Thinker]

Because I know I'm weak.

Even as it is now it's hard for me to resist a beautiful girl.

We're all weak.

That's why any effective salvation must be an unearned gift ...

 

[Hammster]

Because I know I'm weak.

Even as it is now it's hard for me to resist a beautiful girl.

Is that the only sin you think you’d commit if you thought your salvation was secure? You still sin in other ways now, correct?

 

[Neostarwcc]

You cannot lose your salvation. When Peter says that our salvation incorruptible, undefiled and kept in Heaven for us I believe him.

And we cannot throw out Jesus's numerous statements that he will not lose even one of the Elect.

You can claim a man can lie about our salvation but when it comes to Christ whom we believe to be Christ in flesh declares it, it HAS to be true. The only conclusion one can draw other than the truth is that God lied. If you say you can lose your salvation that's what your saying. That God is a liar because there is not ONE statement that Jesus made where he said we could lose our salvation. Not one.