Can non-Trinitarians be saved?

[Der Alte]

Amazing...
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The Council of Nicea and the Doctrine of the Trinity ...
The Council of Nicea and the Doctrine of the Trinity
A common criticism by those who reject the doctrine of the Trinity is that the doctrine was not part of the early church, nor a conscious teaching of Jesus Himself, but was imposed on the church by the Emperor Constantine in the early fourth century at the Council of Nicea.
The Council of Nicea, The Trinity - Timeline Index
The Council of Nicea, The Trinity - Timeline Index
The Council of Nicea convened on May 20, 325 A.D. The 230 church leaders were there to consider a question vital to the church: Was Jesus Christ equal to God the Father or was he something else? Athanasius, only in his twenties, came to the council t...
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia
The First Council of Nicaea (/ n aɪ ˈ s iː ə /; Greek: Νίκαια) was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.
What occurred at the Council of Nicea? | GotQuestions.org
What occurred at the Council of Nicea? | GotQuestions.org
Question: "What occurred at the Council of Nicea?" Answer: The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and ...
Council of Nicaea concludes - HISTORY
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/council-of-nicaea-concludes
Meeting at Nicaea in present-day Turkey, the council established the equality of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity and asserted that only the Son became incarnate as ...
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History ...
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts
First Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, which took place in 325 in the ancient city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey). The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the Father and God the Son.
Trinity - Wikipedia
Trinity - Wikipedia
The Confession of the First Council of Nicaea, the Nicene Creed, said little about the Holy Spirit. At the First Council of Nicea (325) all attention was focused on the relationship between the Father and the Son, without making any similar statement about the Holy Spirit: ... The Holy Trinity : In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship.
The Truth about the Council of Nicaea - YouTube
What happened at the council of Nicaea? Was the Trinity made up there? Was the divinity of Jesus declared there for the first time? This video answers these question? Sources:
The Doctrine of the Trinity at Nicaea and Chalcedon ...
The Doctrine of the Trinity at Nicaea and Chalcedon | Stand to Reason
The Council of Nicaea defined the Biblical doctrine for the Trinity by focusing on the identity of Jesus, but it was not within the scope of the council to define Jesus' humanity and the relation of the two natures to each other. The Trinitarian doctrine had significant implications for Christology that was addressed at Chalcedon in 451 A.D.
The Council of Nicea - Christian History for Everyman
The Council of Nicea
The former adopted Arianism and was rightly censured by the Council of Nicea. The latter was in high regard among contemporaries, but he is occasionally accused of Arianism by later churchmen and historians who do not understand the Nicene and Ante-Nicene view of the Trinity.

I did not post until I had looked up each one. I said real history NOT Youtube and Wikipedia history. Google Nicaea and/or Chalcedon council canons and see if you can find any of this stuff there. The Trinity was NEVER mentioned at either council.

 

[1an]

You are arguing both sides of the issue. Earlier you indicted that he had to be Trinitarian. (a doctrinal/theological position)

Anyone who believes Jesus (the Son) is the I AM of the Old Testament (God in three persons) is a Trinitarian. The thief knew who Jesus was.

 

[1an]

Amazing...

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The Council of Nicea and the Doctrine of the Trinity ...
The Council of Nicea and the Doctrine of the Trinity

A common criticism by those who reject the doctrine of the Trinity is that the doctrine was not part of the early church, nor a conscious teaching of Jesus Himself, but was imposed on the church by the Emperor Constantine in the early fourth century at the Council of Nicea.

The Council of Nicea, The Trinity - Timeline Index
The Council of Nicea, The Trinity - Timeline Index
The Council of Nicea convened on May 20, 325 A.D. The 230 church leaders were there to consider a question vital to the church: Was Jesus Christ equal to God the Father or was he something else? Athanasius, only in his twenties, came to the council t...

First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia
The First Council of Nicaea (/ n aɪ ˈ s iː ə /; Greek: Νίκαια) was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.

What occurred at the Council of Nicea? | GotQuestions.org
What occurred at the Council of Nicea? | GotQuestions.org
Question: "What occurred at the Council of Nicea?" Answer: The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and ...

Council of Nicaea concludes - HISTORY
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/council-of-nicaea-concludes

Meeting at Nicaea in present-day Turkey, the council established the equality of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity and asserted that only the Son became incarnate as ...

First Council of Nicaea | Description, History ...
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts
First Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, which took place in 325 in the ancient city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey). The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the Father and God the Son.
Trinity - Wikipedia

Trinity - Wikipedia
The Confession of the First Council of Nicaea, the Nicene Creed, said little about the Holy Spirit. At the First Council of Nicea (325) all attention was focused on the relationship between the Father and the Son, without making any similar statement about the Holy Spirit: ... The Holy Trinity : In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship.

The Truth about the Council of Nicaea - YouTube

What happened at the council of Nicaea? Was the Trinity made up there? Was the divinity of Jesus declared there for the first time? This video answers these question? Sources:
The Doctrine of the Trinity at Nicaea and Chalcedon ...
The Doctrine of the Trinity at Nicaea and Chalcedon | Stand to Reason

The Council of Nicaea defined the Biblical doctrine for the Trinity by focusing on the identity of Jesus, but it was not within the scope of the council to define Jesus' humanity and the relation of the two natures to each other. The Trinitarian doctrine had significant implications for Christology that was addressed at Chalcedon in 451 A.D.

The Council of Nicea - Christian History for Everyman
The Council of Nicea
The former adopted Arianism and was rightly censured by the Council of Nicea. The latter was in high regard among contemporaries, but he is occasionally accused of Arianism by later churchmen and historians who do not understand the Nicene and Ante-Nicene view of the Trinity.

The Bible is quite clear on the divinity of Jesus i.e. Emmanuel, God with us.

 

[1an]

Jesus Saves, but If people do not believe Jesus is God with us, They need to fear for their salvation, for only God can redeem us from our sins.

 

[Saint Steven]

Anyone who believes Jesus (the Son) is the I AM of the Old Testament (God in three persons) is a Trinitarian. The thief knew who Jesus was.

That seems like conjecture. You are reading a lot into the text.
Based on the text, what do we know for sure?

 

[Saint Steven]

Jesus Saves, but If people do not believe Jesus is God with us, They need to fear for their salvation, for only God can redeem us from our sins.

It's a bad idea to make salvation about us.
How can such things be measured? Did you do all the right things? (who knows?) Could you have done more? (sure) Did you do enough? (who knows?)

When we make salvation about the work of God, we can rest assured that it is a complete work. This is easily measured. It is finished. But it doesn't stop there.

 

[1an]

It's a bad idea to make salvation about us.
How can such things be measured? Did you do all the right things? (who knows?) Could you have done more? (sure) Did you do enough? (who knows?)

When we make salvation about the work of God, we can rest assured that it is a complete work. This is easily measured. It is finished. But it doesn't stop there.

The title of this thread is, "Can non-Trinitarians be saved?" Being a trintarian means believing Jesus is God in the flesh and quite clearly if you do not believe Jesus is from above, you will die in your sin. JESUS said so.

Joh 8:12-30 NLT
(12) Jesus spoke to the people once more and said, “I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life.”
(13) The Pharisees replied, “You are making those claims about yourself! Such testimony is not valid.”
(14) Jesus told them, “These claims are valid even though I make them about myself. For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you don’t know this about me.
(15) You judge me by human standards, but I do not judge anyone.
(16) And if I did, my judgment would be correct in every respect because I am not alone. The Father who sent me is with me.
(17) Your own law says that if two people agree about something, their witness is accepted as fact.
(18) I am one witness, and my Father who sent me is the other.”
(19) “Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.”
(20) Jesus made these statements while he was teaching in the section of the Temple known as the Treasury. But he was not arrested, because his time had not yet come.
(21) Later Jesus said to them again, “I am going away. You will search for me but will die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going.”
(22) The people asked, “Is he planning to commit suicide? What does he mean, ‘You cannot come where I am going’?”
(23) Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.
(24) That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”
(25) “Who are you?” they demanded. Jesus replied, “The one I have always claimed to be.
(26) I have much to say about you and much to condemn, but I won’t. For I say only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he is completely truthful.”
(27) But they still didn’t understand that he was talking about his Father.
(28) So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man on the cross, then you will understand that I AM he. I do nothing on my own but say only what the Father taught me.
(29) And the one who sent me is with me—he has not deserted me. For I always do what pleases him.”
(30) Then many who heard him say these things believed in him.

 

[Saint Steven]

The title of this thread is, "Can non-Trinitarians be saved?" Being a trintarian means believing Jesus is God in the flesh and quite clearly if you do not believe Jesus is from above, you will die in your sin.

This makes salvation about us. Bad idea.
We are NOT the source of salvation. Our doctrine is NOT the source of salvation. Our theology is NOT the source of salvation. Only God is the source of our salvation.

 

[1an]

This makes salvation about us. Bad idea.
We are NOT the source of salvation. Our doctrine is NOT the source of salvation. Our theology is NOT the source of salvation. Only God is the source of our salvation.

Jesus is the source of our salvation. The only thing we need to do is to believe in Him and who he is.

 

[Francis Drake]

Jesus Saves, but If people do not believe Jesus is God with us, They need to fear for their salvation, for only God can redeem us from our sins.

I was absolutely not a Trinitarian when I was first saved at around 11 years old.
I heard God speak to me.
I knew he had saved me because he told me directly.
I knew it was nothing to do with me being a good person, again because he told me directly.
I knew he dwelt within me, again because he told me directly.

I knew nothing of Jesus, the cross, or the Trinity.
With no teaching and no theology, I had responded to the presence of his Spirit as a simple know nothing child. He called, I said yes.
He received me just as, years later, I would read in the bible.

And no, there was never any need to fear my eternal salvation. God had redeemed me, even if I knew not how.

When I was a child, my daddy took me to the seaside in his car. I hadn't a clue how the car engine worked. I just trusted my dad to get me there safely because he loved me.

 

[1an]

I was absolutely not a Trinitarian when I was first saved at around 11 years old.
I heard God speak to me.
I knew he had saved me because he told me directly.
I knew it was nothing to do with me being a good person, again because he told me directly.
I knew he dwelt within me, again because he told me directly.

I knew nothing of Jesus, the cross, or the Trinity.
With no teaching and no theology, I had responded to the presence of his Spirit as a simple know nothing child. He called, I said yes.
He received me just as, years later, I would read in the bible.

And no, there was never any need to fear my eternal salvation. God had redeemed me, even if I knew not how.

When I was a child, my daddy took me to the seaside in his car. I hadn't a clue how the car engine worked. I just trusted my dad to get me there safely because he loved me.

Jesus said, "suffer the little children to come to me" and you did. A simple faith is all that is needed. My testimony is very similar to yours, I was a similar age to you, and like you I knew nothing except a few Bible stories. I think the problem comes with those who knowingly and forcefully reject the Saviour. You didn't and neither did I, but ever since, Jesus has been central to my life and over the years I have come to know him better and better and I guess you have as well. Blessings.

 

[Francis Drake]

Jesus said, "suffer the little children to come to me" and you did. A simple faith is all that is needed. My testimony is very similar to yours, I was a similar age to you, and like you I knew nothing except a few Bible stories.

Suffer little children also applies to adults, who according to Jesus, must become like those little children if they want to see the kingdom of heaven.

I think the problem comes with those who knowingly and forcefully reject the Saviour. You didn't and neither did I, but ever since, Jesus has been central to my life and over the years I have come to know him better and better and I guess you have as well. Blessings.

And that's maybe where we differ as I completely rejected Christianity till my mid 20s when someone gave me the gospel for the very first time.
I then realised they were talking about the God I already knew as a child

 

[Andrewn]

Suffer little children also applies to adults, who according to Jesus, must become like those little children if they want to see the kingdom of heaven.

So, what does the Lord Jesus mean here:

Joh 8:24 This is why I told you that you would die in your sins. If you don’t believe that I Am, you will die in your sins.”

It seems like He's saying to the Jews that they have to believe He's Yahweh to be saved.

 

[1an]

So, what does the Lord Jesus mean here:

Joh 8:24 This is why I told you that you would die in your sins. If you don’t believe that I Am, you will die in your sins.”

It seems like He's saying to the Jews that they have to believe He's Yahweh to be saved.

Correct. Not many people realise Jesus is the Creator. (John 1:1-3) and in verse 14 the creator (the Word) became flesh. Jesus is only God's name on earth (Matthew) so if people reject Jesus, they are rejecting Jehovah. God is omnipresent, and He reveals himself by His Spirit if we quieten our hearts, and, he revealed himself 2000 years ago in the flesh, how I wish I had been there, so that He could die for us in the flesh, in order that we might be redeemed. Praise His wonderful name.

 

[DennisTate]

Oneness Pentecostals, LDS, and JW are major non-Trinitarian groups. Are there other significant non-Trinitarians? Can non-Trinitarians be saved?

I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God until 1991 and I believed back then that the Holy Spirit was something like electricity or gravity during those years.

I prayed a lot though during those years though and had amazing answers to prayer...... plus.... Jesus kept guiding me until I could finally come up with the following :

An apology from a former member of the Worldwide Church of God

 

[Oberamagau]

The Bible is quite clear on the divinity of Jesus i.e. Emmanuel, God with us.

I have no problems believing God was in Christ, the question is -
"Is Christ all powerful and all knowing like God? According to Jesus' own words - God the Father is greater so -
"God was in Christ, means Christ represents God NOT THAT God is as powerful or the same person as Christ."

 

[1an]

I have no problems believing God was in Christ, the question is -
"Is Christ all powerful and all knowing like God? According to Jesus' own words - God the Father is greater so -
"God was in Christ, means Christ represents God NOT THAT God is as powerful or the same person as Christ."

Christ humbled himself while on earth and became a little lower than the angels Hebrews 2:9, but it is who He was before he came down from heaven John 6:38 that is important.

 

[1an]

The problem is not accepting Jesus in faith believing. The problems come later when we become embroiled in religious discussions and find ourselves being misled by those who oppose the Trinity. The net result is that some will reject Jesus who had to become man so that He might pay the penalty for our sins with the unfortunate result that they reject the very Saviour they once accepted.

 

[1an]

Suffer little children also applies to adults, who according to Jesus, must become like those little children if they want to see the kingdom of heaven.

And that's maybe where we differ as I completely rejected Christianity till my mid 20s when someone gave me the gospel for the very first time.
I then realised they were talking about the God I already knew as a child

The prodigal son returning, to be welcomed back by the Father. The Good Shepherd brought you back to the fold.

 

[Saint Steven]

I have no problems believing God was in Christ, the question is -
"Is Christ all powerful and all knowing like God? According to Jesus' own words - God the Father is greater so -
"God was in Christ, means Christ represents God NOT THAT God is as powerful or the same person as Christ."

Your post reminded me of this.

Philippians 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!