Can Intelligent Design be a Logical & Rational Answer?

[bhsmte]

There is no conflict between science and the Bible. The question is what does the Bible teach us and what is true science. The nice thing about science is that true science does just that and seeks to know the truth.

If you want to talk about evolution then the Bible has a LOT to say about that sense Adam was the first food producer. Before Adam you have hunter gathers. If it were not for Noah a lot of the cultivated food today from the middle east would have perished. Science does a lot to help us understand what we read about Noah and Adam.

To you it appears; true science = whatever doesn't contradict your personal interpretation of the bible.

 

[bhsmte]

The wages of sin is death. That means sin ends up in death.

People sin every day, why don't they die?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Darwin promoted a theory of slow and gradual evolution and that has been shown to be wrong. Eldredge and Gould promoted Punctuated equilibrium.

Still doesn't mean that Darwin was wrong about evolution. There's that lack of knowledge about evolution of yours showing again.
In fact, you're actually wrong about Darwin promoting a 'slow and gradual evolution' since he never says that in Origin of Species: "Species of different genera and classes have not changed at the same rate, or in the same degree. In the oldest tertiary beds a few living shells may still be found in the midst of a multitude of extinct forms... The Silurian Lingula differs but little from the living species of this genus."

 

[Jimmy D]

A good example is Francis Collins book "The Language of Life". He tells us that: "The discoveries of the last decade, little known to most of the public, have completely overturned much of what used to be taught in High School Biology".

That's not an example, that's just a sentence from FC's book. I don't doubt that our knowlege is improving due to scientific discoveries, I can't see why that presents a problem to anyone.

 

[Jimmy D]

A good example is Abraham in the Chaldean city of Ur. They mixed astronomy and astrology together. The City of Ur was very advanced in Science in their day. Yet there was a lot of error and Abraham was called out of Ur to separate himself from their error.

That seems like an answer to a question I didn't ask. Is it an example of our claim that "They take truth and error and mix them together"? You were talking about "evolution 101" at the time, this has nothing to do with that. After having many of these chats with you I still don't know if you are deliberately obfuscating with answers like this or if you think you're offering a valid response.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That seems like an answer to a question I didn't ask. Is it an example of our claim that "They take truth and error and mix them together"? You were talking about "evolution 101" at the time, this has nothing to do with that. After having many of these chats with you I still don't know if you are deliberately obfuscating with answers like this or if you think you're offering a valid response.

If I did not answer your question then ask the question again.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I can't see why that presents a problem to anyone.

The problem is when the old knowledge proves itself not to be valid. DNA has changed a lot of evolutionary theory. Before they had fossils to study and that was what they used to draw their conclusions. Now they can use the DNA and that tends to give us more information and better understanding then what we had before.

 

[Jimmy D]

If I did not answer your question then ask the question again.

Thanks.

No one argues with 101 evolution, and it can be well supported in a court of law. The problem is the conclusions they try to draw from the known evidence. They take truth and error and mix them together.

Can you give us examples of a scientist "mixing truth and error" (in the context of evolution)?

 

[Jimmy D]

The problem is when the old knowledge proves itself not to be valid. DNA has changed a lot of evolutionary theory. Before they had fossils to study and that was what they used to draw their conclusions. Now they can use the DNA and that tends to give us more information and better understanding then what we had before.

As you say, we get a better understanding. No problem!

 

[joshua 1 9]

Thanks.




Can you give us examples of a scientist "mixing truth and error" (in the context of evolution)?

We can go with Paul's example:

Romans 1:25(NIV) They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.

 

[joshua 1 9]

As you say, we get a better understanding. No problem!

That seems to be the general sediment / sentiment. People usually respond with this is the way science is suppose to work. That science is a process for eliminating what is false.

 

[joshua 1 9]

People sin every day, why don't they die?

Because God gives people time to repent and He waits for the fullness of time. We do not sow and reap in the same season. "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows". Galatians 6:7

In Heaven there will not be a delay, things will be instant. If that happened here we would all be dead.

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

 

[bhsmte]

The Bible makes lots of claims. For example we read in 2Timothy3:13 "evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived."

Books can make claims, people can make claims, they are a dime a dozen. Supporting claims, seems to be the challenge.

 

[Jimmy D]

We can go with Paul's example:

Romans 1:25(NIV) They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.

I wasn't really looking for a bible quote, but nevermind, thanks for trying.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Books can make claims, people can make claims, they are a dime a dozen. Supporting claims, seems to be the challenge.

Interesting how well the claims made by Moses in the Bible have held up to all sorts of scrutiny over the last 3500 years. According to your standards no one can beat the record that the Bible sets.

 

[bhsmte]

Interesting how well the claims made by Moses in the Bible have held up to all sorts of scrutiny over the last 3500 years. According to your standards no one can beat the record that the Bible sets.

LOL. How about the flood claim? Provide evidence to support that.

 

[bhsmte]

Projection.

But it is awesome how you support Jehovah ordering the slaughter of fetuses for 'sin' they did not commit.

Indeed. Text book projection.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How about the flood claim?

What flood claims. As I said the current theory is that the Garden of Eden is under the Persian Gulf. Science and the Bible are in total agreement and there is no contradictions anywhere. Of course there are problems with various interpretations of the Bible. Not everyone that is a Christian represents God. We are told that many are called but few are chosen. If people want to serve God then they have to live Holy Sanctified Lives before God. Look at the Bible. There are very few people called by God to handle the Word of God.

 

[Allandavid]

LOL. How about the flood claim? Provide evidence to support that.

Not to mention chatty burning bushes....

 

[AV1611VET]

How about the flood claim? Provide evidence to support that.

See any Nephilim around?