Can Intelligent Design be a Logical & Rational Answer?

[Abraxos]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

 

[pitabread]

Nobody knows how to make an earthworm.

Except another earthworm.

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

Are Space Shuttles, super computers and advanced robotic systems capable of self-reproduction and evolutionary change from generation to generation?

 

[John Hyperspace]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

Honestly, my life has been in pursuit of truth at the expense of everything else. Armed with a pick ax, compass and night-goggles I've covered virtually all ground. Atheism is the only philosophy that when I came to the borders, I laughed and said "That is absurd" and moved on. There's no question that there is some singular consciousness responsible for the experience of reality as we know it. Whatever process and mechanism used to cause an emergent reality, okay; debatable. Is there consciousness/mind behind everything? Not debatable.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

I don't know what you'd think, but I'd know they were willfully ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Before you start on the "but there's evidence of intelligent design in nature", if you have nothing new just let this thread die.

 

[pitabread]

Is there consciousness/mind behind everything? Not debatable.

I'd say it's pretty darned debatable. Without truly knowing the nature of the universe, there is no way to say what is behind it. Reality could just be reality.

 

[JD16]

Honestly, my life has been in pursuit of truth at the expense of everything else. Armed with a pick ax, compass and night-goggles I've covered virtually all ground. Atheism is the only philosophy that when I came to the borders, I laughed and said "That is absurd" and moved on. There's no question that there is some singular consciousness responsible for the experience of reality as we know it. Whatever process and mechanism used to cause an emergent reality, okay; debatable. Is there consciousness/mind behind everything? Not debatable.

Funnily enough, many Atheists comes from a religious background, search as vigorously as you did, and arrive at the complete opposite conclusion. If we were to speculate, what makes your prefered choice of deity 'the cause of consciousness/mind' special as compared to all other available deities throughout the course of human history?

 

[AV1611VET]

If we were to speculate, what makes your prefered choice of deity 'the cause of consciousness/mind' special as compared to all other available deities throughout the course of human history?

 

[Jimmy D]

What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

Would you think that they were foolish? I would.

 

[Jimmy D]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

An earthworm can't be created you say? Maybe it came about from a different process then.

 

[Skreeper]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

We do not recognize design by the complexity of the object. We recognize design by contrasting it with nature. Supercomputers, robotic systems and space shuttle are not naturally occurring and are therefore designed.
Earthworms are naturally occurring and are therefore not designed.

 

[xianghua]

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

its a good question. according to evolution criteria if those objects have a living traits like a self replicating system or organic componenets then we should conclude that those objects are the result of a natural process. but we ac tually know that even in this case a space shuttle is evidence for design. therefore the argument is false.

 

[xianghua]

Earthworms are naturally occurring and are therefore not designed.

its only a belief. there is no proof that any creature evolved from a non-living thing.

 

[Jimmy D]

its a good question. according to evolution criteria if those objects have a living traits like a self replicating system or organic componenets then we should conclude that those objects are the result of a natural process. but we ac tually know that even in this case a space shuttle is evidence for design. therefore the argument is false.

That argument is certainly false, well probably, to be honest it doesn't seem to make much sense. How does a the space shuttle affect how we view the natural world?

 

[essentialsaltes]

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

Not all that much. Regardless, complexity is not a measurement of design. So, you're defeated before you get started.

 

[Ophiolite]

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

You imply that humans are more complex than earthworms. Would you agree that the difference in complexity between man and earthworm is much less than between earthworm and a bacteria?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

Not nearly as complex as the implied "creator" of humans would be.

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

I don't know about you, but I would think that that person has no idea on how reproduction, and biology in general, works.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Honestly, my life has been in pursuit of truth at the expense of everything else. Armed with a pick ax, compass and night-goggles I've covered virtually all ground. Atheism is the only philosophy that when I came to the borders, I laughed and said "That is absurd" and moved on.

Atheism, isn't a "philosophy".
It's a single position on a single issue.

There's no question that there is some singular consciousness responsible for the experience of reality as we know it.

Your brain is responsible for your experience of reality.

Whatever process and mechanism used to cause an emergent reality, okay; debatable. Is there consciousness/mind behind everything? Not debatable.

Indeed, dogma isn't debatable.
Exactly the reason why dogma is the enemy of reason and progress.

 

[xianghua]

Is there proof that a creature was created from non-living things? Say, dust of the ground?

sure, see here:

best argument against evolution? (the self replicating robot)

 

[dmmesdale]

We do not recognize design by the complexity of the object. We recognize design by contrasting it with nature. Supercomputers, robotic systems and space shuttle are not naturally occurring and are therefore designed.
Earthworms are naturally occurring and are therefore not designed.

That <staff edit> does not go anywhere near explains how naturedidit. If nature alone can make an earthworm then why can't nature build a bridge or make a smartphone? If you left your car parked in the rain forest for a thousand years would you expect nature to reassemble into a F-15 fighter jet? All you demonstrate here is myopia and blind faith in the so-called creative power of nature.

 

[Armoured]

Which is more complex: the worlds fastest supercomputer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an earthworm?

Answer: The earthworm. Nobody knows how to make an earthworm. The DNA and its reproductive system is beyond anything ever created by man.

1. How much more complex is a human compared to an earthworm?

2. What would I think of someone if they firmly believed that the Space Shuttle, the supercomputer and the most advanced robotic system was the result of random mindless chance rather than an intelligent designer?

If you set up a system of imperfect replication where a space shuttle were a fit to an ecological gap, you'd get a better space shuttle than design ever produced. It's not random, nor chance, although it is mindless.