Can I Rant?

[cerette]

I was extremely disappointed when I went to NPH bookstore in Milwaukee and the first face I saw on the shelves was Joyce Meyer. I brought it up with one of the publishers at NPH and he said he didn't like it either but "you do what you gotta do to be the biggest Christian book store in town". This was some years ago so I don't know what it's like today.

 

[LilLamb219]

(didn't read entire thread)


If anyone wants an easy overview of Beth's manner of teaching, watch "life today with James Robison" tomorrow on TBN or other religious station. She is on their show on Wednesdays doing a women's bible study. She speaks a lot on Grace to live holy, emotional healing, and growing closer to God

Yeah, it's all about me, me, me and how am I doing?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I was extremely disappointed when I went to NPH bookstore in Milwaukee and the first face I saw on the shelves was Joyce Meyer. I brought it up with one of the publishers at NPH and he said he didn't like it either but "you do what you gotta do to be the biggest Christian book store in town". This was some years ago so I don't know what it's like today.

Joyce Meyer cannot be found at NPH at all, period. I've actually blocked people from my FB feed because they post Joyce Meyer crap or inspirational stuff from the biggest charlatan of them all, Joel Osteen.

The publisher's response is interesting, since the purpose of NPH isn't to be the biggest Christian book store in town. It never has been.

I've found some stuff outside of WELS at NPH, but it's all pastor-reviewed and deemed acceptable. I firmly believe there's a lot of people out there who are Lutheran but don't know it...

 

[cerette]

Joyce Meyer cannot be found at NPH at all, period. I've actually blocked people from my FB feed because they post Joyce Meyer crap or inspirational stuff from the biggest charlatan of them all, Joel Osteen.

The publisher's response is interesting, since the purpose of NPH isn't to be the biggest Christian book store in town. It never has been.

I've found some stuff outside of WELS at NPH, but it's all pastor-reviewed and deemed acceptable. I firmly believe there's a lot of people out there who are Lutheran but don't know it...

If you have the chance maybe you could go by there and have a look, it would be interesting to see if they still have her stuff there. I also cannot stand Joel Osteen. Didn't see him there though. Literally the very first thing I saw was Meyer's face on the shelf with Christian calendars; they had "her" calendar with quotes by her on the pages, and then a book or two. I was very upset, and this was while I was still in the Synod.
Other than that I really liked NPH and would like to go there again.
I don't know if this is true or not but someone said Meyer used to be LCMS and that she's said "she can save more in one day than the LCMS can save in a year". Talk about getting it all wrong--plus turning herself into a "savior"!!

 

[QuiltAngel]

According to Wikipedia, Meyer was briefly a member of an LCMS church.

 

[Tangible]

Seen enough of it to be sickened already, thx.

I work in a nursing home in the evenings. Some folks watch EWTN and some watch TBN. The TBN prosperity drivel literally makes me cringe at times. Moore may not be Pentecostal, but she is certainly in the Prosperity camp.

And yes, IP, I've heard women in my church talking about their wonderful Beth Moore books they're reading. Makes me sad. My wife has started attending a study with our vicar's wife leading. I'm glad to see that at least the younger women are interested in solid Lutheran teaching. Interestingly, quite a few of then were not raised Lutheran, including the vicar's wife. Yay for convert zeal.

 

[ThunderTongue]

Seen enough of it to be sickened already, thx.

I work in a nursing home in the evenings. Some folks watch EWTN and some watch TBN. The TBN prosperity drivel literally makes me cringe at times. Moore may not be Pentecostal, but she is certainly in the Prosperity camp.

And yes, IP, I've heard women in my church talking about their wonderful Beth Moore books they're reading. Makes me sad. My wife has started attending a study with our vicar's wife leading. I'm glad to see that at least the younger women are interested in solid Lutheran teaching. Interestingly, quite a few of then were not raised Lutheran, including the vicar's wife. Yay for convert zeal.

I'm in complete agreement with how much of the stuff on TV is "gimme gimme, name it an claim it" without sometimes a word said concerning helping others with the prosperity mentioned.

But I don't get the hate for Beth Moore here. I'm not challenging or accusing, so those of you ready to spit fire, simmer down now hear me out. Other than her being well known and a successful author, what reason would there be to shun her? What has she said that isn't scriptural?


Honest question, with no other motive than to see where you folks are coming from.

 

[Tangible]

I'm not really interested in spending a lot of time on this, sorry. But Moore's major faults stem from poor hermeneutics, eisegesis, lack of scriptural contextualization, and rejection of solid, catholic doctrine and theology in favor of emotional, therapeutic mysticism.

Here's a few links with in-depth discussions.

Steadfast Lutherans » Table Talk: Beth Moore part 1
Steadfast Lutherans » Table Talk: Beth Moore Part 2

Purpose Drivel: Why I Don't Do Beth Moore Anymore

Extreme Theology: Beth Moore's Dangerous Bible Twisting

Posts tagged "beth-moore" - Issues, Etc.


And in honor of our new formerly Methodist, now Lutheran catechumen, Illudium_Phosdex (IP) ...

Methodist Kudzu – The Problem of Beth Moore


Hehe. Even seems like her fellow Baptists at CARM have issues with her. Beth Moore

We must be very careful when listening to a teacher. Beth Moore, in my opinion, is not to be trusted to properly teach from the word of God. She is leading many astray with her approval of contemplative prayer, personal revelations, and faulty biblical exegesis. Yes, I know that many claim to have been helped by her. That is fine, but the experience of feeling helped is not where truth lies. Rather, it is God's word that is the standard of what is good and bad, not if we are helped through the wolf of pop psychology in Christian terminology. Therefore, I cannot endorse Beth Moore.

 

[ThunderTongue]

Thanks for your input tangible. I'll check the links when I get home from work

 

[swinkler]

"My pastor hubby would have a huge issue if he found out any of our women were going to community bible studies."

Do you know how bad that sounds? Are you in a cult?

 

[QuiltAngel]

"My pastor hubby would have a huge issue if he found out any of our women were going to community bible studies."

Do you know how bad that sounds? Are you in a cult?

No she isn't. We have issues with our members going to a community bible study because there is so much out that where the theology is off on man things. Then we wonder why these differing views and teaches creep into our Lutheran churches.

Many of these studies that are used teach things like prosperity, works, who is elect, denies that baptism saves, and more. Then we start having the issues of women being pastors, wanting to commune those at our communion tables who do not believe as we do. So many things.

 

[alexnbethmom]

"My pastor hubby would have a huge issue if he found out any of our women were going to community bible studies."

Do you know how bad that sounds? Are you in a cult?

do you know how ignorant *you* sound?

 

[Moses Medina]

do you know how ignorant *you* sound?

You mean your husband the pastor if the church, who's job it is to care for the flock has control of what's taught... yep... definitely a cult.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

"My pastor hubby would have a huge issue if he found out any of our women were going to community bible studies."

Do you know how bad that sounds? Are you in a cult?

Nope. But I bet you're a card carrying member of the cult of personality.

 

[QuiltAngel]

WEll, hubby reviewed the materials. He said they could do it if only he was leading it. He went on to express his concerns over the materials and suggested other books that would be better to start off with instead of James. I know he would have had to cut some out or have discussions on how it would be better to state something a bit differently.

Well, between the concerns I expressed at last month's meeting and the concerns he expressed in the email to the President, she got to looking around on the CPH website for some materials.

They decided to do the series on women of the Bible from CPH which includes books and videos.

I didn't go to the meeting today, but hubby said that the Beth Moore study was not brought up at all.

Thanks be to God for showing the women another study to use.

 

[illudium_phosdex]

Praise be to God!

 

[LilLamb219]

What a relief!!! Doing the women of the bible study would greatly benefit them!!

WEll, hubby reviewed the materials. He said they could do it if only he was leading it. He went on to express his concerns over the materials and suggested other books that would be better to start off with instead of James. I know he would have had to cut some out or have discussions on how it would be better to state something a bit differently.

Well, between the concerns I expressed at last month's meeting and the concerns he expressed in the email to the President, she got to looking around on the CPH website for some materials.

They decided to do the series on women of the Bible from CPH which includes books and videos.

I didn't go to the meeting today, but hubby said that the Beth Moore study was not brought up at all.

Thanks be to God for showing the women another study to use.

 

[QuiltAngel]

This is the one they are going to do:

The Heart of Jesus: Small Group DVD Starter Kit