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Can I be saved

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Lol, you have a great sense of humor. :) I hope we are not highjacking this thread and are actually helping the OP with his questions.

Yes, a gift is a better way to put it than a "card." It's not a "membership" to a club. Salvation is a free gift to all those who sincerely desire it by placing their faith, with their free will, in Jesus.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But not seeing evil is exactly what Satan wants us to do. The best trick Satan has ever played on humanity is to fool humans into thinking he is not real. He is very real and it is good to be aware of that to keep yourself safe from evil.

I don't dwell on evil, either, though, although I am aware it exists. A person's heart is what God looks upon.

To the pure all things are pure. I believe the only evil you can see in others is the ones you have in yourself. This is why Jesus told the Adulteress, Neither do I condemn thee....Also the woman with 5 men....he didnt condemn....he offered the way of life to her and the last man she was with!

And Judging good and evil has very negative consequences for the Judger. The fruit was very tasty, But I've decided to stop eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Im back to walking around naked and not ashamed! Good motivation to get back in the gym as well...get those 10k steps a day...but I digress.

I would encourage you to look more into salvation......One that it more polished and finished....one that cant be given and taken away by the will of man. The truth that Set you Free. And, more importantly, one with a reward that you can receive and verify now......Waiting till after death doesn't sound good to me....there is no repentance in the grave.... Was fun reasoning together.
 
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You need to abandon your works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, (9) not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

He said he was working on it. That is not works. Works is trying to earn your salvation by doing things like the Catholics are taught to do.
 
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Howdy sir!

I know many others have said it already, but I'll add, that YES you too can be saved!

You are not alone in your struggles. I've struggled in the same manner since I was in my early teens, I'm now 41. I too seek to follow and live for Christ and not my flesh.

I don't know if you'd be interested, but I am part of a Christian community online that is specifically for men and women who struggle in this way. We all work together and share our struggles and hold one another up in prayer and in Christian love.

You can check our their site at www.livehope.org. It's not a therapy site or anything of that manner, just a Christian group seeking to help those who struggle but seek to walk in obedience to Christ.

It's not an easy path, but the fact that you seek to not act out on your feelings and to live for God says a lot about your hearts TRUE desire. Paul pointed out in his many teachings that our flesh desires things contrary to the Spirit, and our Spirit (once we come to Christ) desires things contrary to the flesh. The Spirit desires to do what is right, but it's a struggle.

Keep seeking God, and don't let the enemy speak lies into your heart and mind. God loves you.
 
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God's Law is what defines sin for us, and sin is the breaking of the law of God (Romans 7:7). Homosexuality is a sin according to that law. It is considered a sin in the New Testament as well. So turn from it and from your lust.

Jesse the fact that you are celibate is a clear indication that you have turned away from your lust so don't listen to those who give you the idea that you haven't.

The scripture does not say we are delivered from sin. What it does say is we are delivered from the POWER of sin as in sin shall no longer have dominion over you.

Our walk is a daily walk. If I go through the day without sinning (and he will tell us if we have sinned) then I can rejoice. If we sin, however, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

Can't get cleaner than that!
 
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Howdy sir!

I know many others have said it already, but I'll add, that YES you too can be saved!

You are not alone in your struggles. I've struggled in the same manner since I was in my early teens, I'm now 41. I too seek to follow and live for Christ and not my flesh.

I don't know if you'd be interested, but I am part of a Christian community online that is specifically for men and women who struggle in this way. We all work together and share our struggles and hold one another up in prayer and in Christian love.

You can check our their site at www.livehope.org. It's not a therapy site or anything of that manner, just a Christian group seeking to help those who struggle but seek to walk in obedience to Christ.

It's not an easy path, but the fact that you seek to not act out on your feelings and to live for God says a lot about your hearts TRUE desire. Paul pointed out in his many teachings that our flesh desires things contrary to the Spirit, and our Spirit (once we come to Christ) desires things contrary to the flesh. The Spirit desires to do what is right, but it's a struggle.

Keep seeking God, and don't let the enemy speak lies into your heart and mind. God loves you.

Good post Shattered Boy
 
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What about other sins? Is lying a disorder?( white lies, big lies) what about stealing, fornicating, eating shellfish, coveting, anger, ? These may seem small but in the eyes of god all sins are a disorder to him.
Is that a question or a provocation? If it is a provocation the subject is homosexuality, not lying, stealing etc.
 
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No you are not wasting time seeking God and He knows your struggle and loves you for not acting on it. Lust you are always going to have. We are human. Stay strong friend. There is a place for Homosexual Christians who believe Jesus is the Son of God and seek Him. I dont care what anyone says.
Jesse, there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. There are Christians who struggle with an unwanted same sex attraction but that is not a sin.
 
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I said he was born with homosexual tendencies.
You are not born with homosexual tendencies. When you are born you are a sexual. What you develop into will be determined by your experiences with your family and friends as in male homosexuals always have a deficient or nonexistent relationship with their father and feel rejected.
 
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You are not born with homosexual tendencies. When you are born you are a sexual. What you develop into will be determined by your experiences with your family and friends as in male homosexuals always have a deficient or nonexistent relationship with their father and feel rejected.
the Bible states we are born with a sinful nature. Who are you to decide what sinful natures are learned or inherited? I've seen young boys, showing gay tendencies at a very early age.
 
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the Bible states we are born with a sinful nature. Who are you to decide what sinful natures are learned or inherited? I've seen young boys, showing gay tendencies at a very early age.
But that is not proof they were born with these tendencies. If they have an absent or distant father, they develop very quickly.

And being born with a sinful nature does not mean we all have homosexual tendencies.
 
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But that is not proof they were born with these tendencies. If they have an absent or distant father, they develop very quickly.

And being born with a sinful nature does not mean we all have homosexual tendencies.
youd have a point if I said "we all are born with homosexual tendencies"
 
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Am I wasting my time seeking God? I am a nonpracticing homosexual. I believe in scripture that calls sin by what it is. I hate my sin. I struggle with lust, but I do not act on my lusts. Pastor Steven Anderson does not believe gays can be saved. This is sad. But I will continue pray for his mercy. But I wonder if I am wasting my time.

if a relative that you didn't know you had left you a fortune that you couldn't spend in a lifetime, your relative wouldn't withhold it from you because the devil is trying to convince you that you are a homosexual, because the decision to leave you the fortune was his 'last will and testament' (NEW Testament in God's terminology) - your inheritance would be an unconditional gift that can't be withheld by the giver or anyone else - but you could still choose to not receive the money, and die a pauper

the only way to disqualify yourself from spiritual rebirth and the eternal life that comes with it is to consider either your qualifications to deserve it, or lack thereof...

spiritual rebirth and the eternal life that comes with it is a free, unconditional gift - you can't do anything to cause God to withhold it from you - you can only fail to receive it from Him by considering your unworthiness instead of focusing on His limitless love for you
 
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Am I wasting my time seeking God? I am a nonpracticing homosexual. I believe in scripture that calls sin by what it is. I hate my sin. I struggle with lust, but I do not act on my lusts. Pastor Steven Anderson does not believe gays can be saved. This is sad. But I will continue pray for his mercy. But I wonder if I am wasting my time.

Homosexuality is a function of your flesh and while it is considered a sin there are many other sins such as lying, anger, greed, and on and on and on yet no sin prevents us from being saved for if a person's sin did prevent them from being saved then none of us would ever be saved. What I encourage you to do is seek God and allow God to speak unto you. God's Holy Spirit is how God approaches and deals with mankind and yes it is the Holy Spirit that convicts us of sin but with regards to Salvation and Christ sacrifice on the cross, for our sins, that sacrifice was done for past, present and future sins and covers all sins. Your/Our salvation depends not on our decisions to stop sinning for none of us could do that but our salvation depends upon us accepting Christ sacrifice for our sinfulness, our sin nature, and our sins past, present, and future.

God's part in our Salvation, via His Holy Spirit, is to allow us to realize our Spiritual need of Salvation and our Spiritual awareness that we and our actions are inadaquate and unable to satisfy God's requirements which is a blood sacrifice. Christ sacrifice is a Perfect Blood Sacrifice and all believers come unto God and are saved as sinners not saved because they somehow stopped sinning or somehow eliminated all sins from their lives, something they could not do. IF after you are saved, if God's Holy Spirit then reveals unto you needs that you have and things you need to do to please God then it's upon you to do that but our Salvation is not contingent upon not sinning for our sin is a function of our fleshly nature.
 
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Am I wasting my time seeking God? I am a nonpracticing homosexual. I believe in scripture that calls sin by what it is. I hate my sin. I struggle with lust, but I do not act on my lusts. Pastor Steven Anderson does not believe gays can be saved. This is sad. But I will continue pray for his mercy. But I wonder if I am wasting my time.

If you're a member of Steven Anderson's church, and he's the pastor who had that issue with the border patrol, my sincerest suggestion is find another church. He had every right to refuse the officer's instructions, but, did he have to exercise that right just because he can ?
Didn't the Bible say: as much as is in you, live peaceably with all men ?
That said, he is also wrong that gays cannot be saved.
I guess he forgot about the sodomites (there was no word for homosexuals in the Greek of Paul's time) in the church of Corinth, who had stopped practicing their homosexuality.
There is no sin beyond the atonement of the blood of Christ, NONE, save the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
The fact that you are burdened by your sin, is an indication that you might already be regenerate, born again, born from above, or whatever your church calls it, because only those who are regenerate can be bothered by sin.
I said "an indication" because I don't know how true your words are that you do not practice homosexuality.
God bless.
 
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The Bible says,"come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. You can be delivered from the yoke/burden of homosexualism or any other form of addiction. Yes, you can be saved by only our Lord and Savior Jesus. Sin is sin and homosexualism is one of them. Just go to Him in prayers, repent from your heart,confess your sins, ask for forgiveness and ask for grace to follow Him with all your heart. Just believe that if you confess all your sins, He would forgive, deliver and save you. God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is your responsibility to repent and save your soul while you are alife.
May you find peace as you take the step of faith to repent.
 
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Am I wasting my time seeking God? I am a nonpracticing homosexual. I believe in scripture that calls sin by what it is. I hate my sin. I struggle with lust, but I do not act on my lusts. Pastor Steven Anderson does not believe gays can be saved. This is sad. But I will continue pray for his mercy. But I wonder if I am wasting my time.

I struggle with the same problem, Ive had my homosexual desires since I can remember but I dont seek out the life style but I still find myself thinking of other men. When I read of men in the same position and Christian its a daily struggle that keeps going even as a Christian and some even force themselves into straight marriages. I just want it gone and thought when Christian it would be taken away. Ive talked to some pastors and they said I was possessed by a spirit and needed to be prayed on to release it, but he couldnt do it. Why? I dont want anyone to grow in their distances from reaching and keeping their path with God. Theres just soo much happening to me at the moment and this problem is mixed in with it. I cant stop but I want it gone..simple as that.
 
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Am I wasting my time seeking God? I am a nonpracticing homosexual. I believe in scripture that calls sin by what it is. I hate my sin. I struggle with lust, but I do not act on my lusts. Pastor Steven Anderson does not believe gays can be saved. This is sad. But I will continue pray for his mercy. But I wonder if I am wasting my time.
I suspect you struggle with "fear", causing lust, but, whatever... Perhaps over things that seek to puff you up, which is wise... Keeping you head up in life or above water, so to speak...? Perhaps struggle with Identity and self-esteem and your worth as well...
 
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Peace be with you.

Can I be saved?
Yes.

Am I wasting my time seeking God?
But I wonder if I am wasting my time.

Yes, if reasons for seeking God are wrong.
e.g. I seek God for Salvation but I like being gay.

Do Gays go to Heaven?
No.

Can Gays go to Heaven?
Yes.

How do Gays go to Heaven?
Gays must submit to the Plan of Salvation God has laid out for them. Leave your Gay life behind.

That seems Impossible.
It's Not.

You suffer from that condition because you have been in darkness for a long time. That's all.

God bless you.
 
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