Can human become angel?

[JacksBratt]

I don't care what some pastor says---the bible is quite clear. Indeed, truth is truth--And God doesn't lie. He said clearly why He destroyed the earth and nowhere is DNA or bloodlines mentioned. Nobody has said how tall these half-breeds were, it is stated in the book of Enoch---written in the 1st century, long after the flood.

What do you think that this passage means?

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't care what some pastor says---the bible is quite clear. Indeed, truth is truth--And God doesn't lie. He said clearly why He destroyed the earth and nowhere is DNA or bloodlines mentioned. Nobody has said how tall these half-breeds were, it is stated in the book of Enoch---written in the 1st century, long after the flood.

Sorry, but it's not what "some pastor says"..

In fact, what you are holding to is exactly that "what other men have said" It is always solid research to go to the original text that the KJV or any other version was translated from.

It is apparent that the translations of Genesis 6 were "toned down" and smoothed out to contain the information there.

In all honesty.. these fallen angels took these human women, unwillingly, and had sex with them and made them pregnant. Simple and honestly.. that's it.

 

[JacksBratt]

Give me a break!

Ya know, if you would read before and after the things your going to post as Scriptural support for your views, you would find, most of the time they cant be
used.

Gen 6:9-13
9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

This says Noah was a Perfect man, not a pure one.

10) And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11) The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

This says Corrupt and filled with Violence.

12) And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

This says Corrupted his way, Not his DNA.


13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This say the earth was filled with Violence, not Nephelims, Subtrahends and Minuends.

No mention of what your espousing.

Corrupted "HIS" way.. meaning it was deviated from God's way.. You know, when God created all the animals, each unto their kind... and saw that it was "good".. Well the world was corrupted in a way that bastardized Gods way.. or "corrupted His way".

How do you explain the giants? How do you explain all the structures that exist, on this earth, even to this day that cannot be explained with technology that had copper as the hardest metal......?????

There were other beings on this earth. Large, powerful and with knowledge beyond what we even have today.

 

[GenemZ]

The book of Enoch... written in the first century... after the flood? Or.. was it written before the flood? If Enoch wrote it.. he lived before the flood.

Did Enoch have the ability to write? Write on what?

They had not yet invented writing in very early days of humanity when the first Enoch was alive. "Enoch" is a name. Many Jewish boys are named Elijah, and Joshua.

 

[GenemZ]

In all honesty.. these fallen angels took these human women, unwillingly, and had sex with them and made them pregnant. Simple and honestly.. that's it.

No, the women were not raped. They found the angels highly attractive. If the women were raped then God could not judge those women. His Spirit was striving with those women not to allow for it.

"Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever,
because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred
and twenty years.” Gen 6:3​

 

[GenemZ]

Please state the verse that says there were 2 falls in heaven. And if fallen angels the 1st time around had to ask permision from God, why did the 2nd batch not need His permision? And how come you have not addressed the points I brought up asbout the size of these beings and the babies women were supposed to have?

Angels are called 'spirits.' Men in the Bible are called 'souls.'

Read the following from 1 Peter 3:18-20. It speaks of rebellious angels at the time of Noah

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"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust,
so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the
flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were dis- obedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days
of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few,
that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." ​

Those angels rebelled during the days of Noah while the ark was being built!

And these angels are also confirmed in Jude 1:6

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but
abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in (prison)
darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

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Satan is now free to roam, and also his demons are. Those certain angels from Noah's day have been imprisoned and are now locked up awaiting the day of judgment.

Not to get too complex at this point... There are also other demons locked up in the Abyss. Not to be confused with the angels who rebelled at the time of Noah.

 

[eleos1954]

In my opinion God cannot create nothing immortal. But human can alone become immortal. Maybe some people have become angels. What do you think, can human become angel?

1 John 3:2

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

 

[GenemZ]

In my opinion God cannot create nothing immortal. But human can alone become immortal. Maybe some people have become angels. What do you think, can human become angel?

Your wording is misleading.

Angels that are God's, are now immortal. They can not die.

We will be immortal in our resurrection bodies. But, we will not be angels. Both are immortal.

We will become immortal like angels are immortal. But, we will not become angels.

 

[~Zao~]

QUESTION ABOUT ADAM......

Adam was created alone. Adam was male. Adam had the ability to procreate even though his woman had not yet been given to him. Likewise, God chose to create all the angels male without a female counter part. Like Adam, they were given an assignment to first do in the prehistoric creations. They too were involved in some way with animals as Adam was to be in this creation.

Over time, Lucifer became arrogant and malcontent... He then led a rebellion. The angels that fell by following Lucifer blamed God for their actions and REFUSED to repent! They ended up stuck, not knowing they were to receive a female counterpart as a reward from God if they faithfully continued their assigned good work. They failed. Adam was faithful.

Before man was created the angels had no clue as to why they were created male. They lived like kids with their playmates.

Then the new world we now live in was created.

When beautiful, gorgeous women began multiplying in mankind it kindled their latent sexuality and desires they had never known. Some of the angels lusted. Then they developed a resentment towards the Lord for short changing them. Apparently, Satan as he is, did something to te,pt these angels into their sin.. The rest is history.


Now ..

What if Adam became totally bored with naming all the animals of the earth?

Keep in mind, that process could have taken many years. For Adam had to live with all the different animals the Lord brought to him to observe them. After studying them Adam was able to invent a fitting name for each kind.

During those years of naming animals Adam also witnessed to copulation and procreation with the animals brought to him. For, how else could he have known that man shall leave his father and mother and cling to his woman, unless he was already shown how it works? Adam had no father and mother! That is how Adam knew. By watching animals procreating and and giving birth.. Which obviously takes time. Adam named all the animals. It had to take many years to complete.

Again? During that stretch? What if Adam got bored? Fed up... Decided that he was going to eat from the forbidden tree, and afterwards? Refused to repent? Do you think God would have taken an unrepentant Adam and blessed him? To place him into a deep sleep, to bless him with a woman? Not likely. Especially, if he acted like the fallen angels who kept blaming God for their boredom that drove him to rebel. For it was because of their boredom they sought to produce their own glories.

Next scene:

As we can deduct from studying Genesis Six in the Hebrew that angels (sons of God) were created male. And, having the ability to procreate. That ability to procreate indicated that they were originally created that way to have a female.

Why no female angels? The word angel in the Scriptures always is in masculine gender. Never neuter, nor female. The Satanic rebellion and the refusal to repent caused God to call off the blessings that would have provided the joys of sexual love. Then we see certain angels taking these women to themselves with great passion and procreating... producing giants.

grace and peace

At what point do they receive their 70 virgins?

 

[GenemZ]

At what point do they receive their 70 virgins?

I think that one is for another type of forum.


Just the same.... From alll I have been shown and have studied, what I wrote is close to what was going on at that time. Sad to say, most Christians have no idea.

Go ahead.... challenge one point at a time, and I will explain.

 

[~Zao~]

I think that one is for another type of forum.
Just the same.... From alll I have been shown and have studied, what I wrote is close to what was going on at that time. Sad to say, most Christians have no idea.
Go ahead.... challenge one point at a time, and I will explain.

The whole thing is repulsive to me because it mars the beauty of what Christ’s rewards are about.

 

[GenemZ]

The whole thing is repulsive to me because it mars the beauty of what Christ’s rewards are about.

I assume you are referring to the 70 virgins nonsense? Islam is repulsive.. And, oppressive.


Christ's rewards will be in accordance to how well we lived and knew His Word. To deny Scripture? Is to deny Christ. At welcome and accept sound doctrine? Is to accept and receive Christ living in you.

Not all will receive rewards. For those who deny His Word? Play clever games with false doctrines? He will in turn, deny reward. They will not lose their salvation. They will be denied their glorious and wonder filled rewards.

It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Tm 2:11-13​

Some believers think they are too smart for everyone else, and prove it to themselves how they can badger believers who never were taught well in the Word. These 'jerks' are going to be the last. While those they saw as the last, will be the first on the Lord's list. Jesus will deny them, for the false teaching ones want us to be denied truth now. They will be without eternal rewards.

 

[~Zao~]

I assume you are referring to the 70 virgins nonsense? Islam is repulsive.. And, oppressive.


Christ's rewards will be in accordance to how well we lived and knew His Word. To deny Scripture? Is to deny Christ. At welcome and accept sound doctrine? Is to accept and receive Christ living in you.

Not all will receive rewards. For those who deny His Word? Play clever games with false doctrines? He will in turn, deny reward. They will not lose their salvation. They will be denied their glorious and wonder filled rewards.

It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Tm 2:11-13​

Some believers think they are too smart for everyone else, and prove it to themselves how they can badger believers who never were taught well in the Word. These 'jerks' are going to be the last. While those they saw as the last, will be the first on the Lord's list. Jesus will deny them, for the false teaching ones want us to be denied truth now. They will be without eternal rewards.

The title of this thread is can humans become angels to which the answer is no. So what’s the use of comparing the angles to angels?

 

[mmksparbud]

The book of Enoch... written in the first century... after the flood? Or.. was it written before the flood? If Enoch wrote it.. he lived before the flood.

That's just the point!! He didn't write it! It us fiction, it is not in the Jewish canon either. Just think about the size of that baby that get to be 450 feet tall.
Not to mention no woman could possibly breast feed the thing!! None of it makes any sense whatsoever.
Ask any gynecologist!

 

[mmksparbud]

What do you think that this passage means?

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Just what it says--He was faithful to God---He was not wicked, nor was he violent. He was like Enoch---who also walked with God. Not one single thing there says even a hint about tainted DNA!

 

[GenemZ]

The title of this thread is can humans become angels to which the answer is no. So what’s the use of comparing the angles to angels?

And, to 70 virgins.

 

[mmksparbud]

Your wording is misleading.

Angels that are God's, are now immortal. They can not die.

We will be immortal in our resurrection bodies. But, we will not be angels. Both are immortal.

We will become immortal like angels are immortal. But, we will not become angels.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

 

[~Zao~]

And, to 70 virgins.

Seemed to fit the search...

 

[GenemZ]

Just what it says--He was faithful to God---He was not wicked, nor was he violent. He was like Enoch---who also walked with God. Not one single thing there says even a hint about tainted DNA!

Everyone who is from the line of Adam has tainted DNA. Its called by some.. 'the fallen nature. The sin nature.'

Its also why Jesus could not have a human father. For its through the male in copulation that the sin nature gets passed down. like Adam passed it down to us all. Its also why in Genesis 3:15 that it says the Messiah will be from the woman's ovum. For, the woman who was deceived does not pass down the sin nature. The man who knew what he was doing, does.

And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”​

When Adam fell he took on the nature like Satan's. So, man has become his offspring by default by having a sin nature. Men outside of God's influence all act and think like fallen angels when we're are not being controlled by the Holy Spirit. That is why there is a passage that states that man at his best natural behavior has a righteousness like filthy rags.

But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away." Isa 64:6
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That's telling us that moralistic Human good is no substitute for having the transformed inner life (virtue) that comes from the filling of the Spirit and possessing a richness of truth that possesses our souls.

 

[GenemZ]

Seemed to fit the search...

I see you are turning?