Can human become angel?

[JIMINZ]

(Those smiley faces automatically appear under certain conditions.)

Thought you had a smiley fetish.

 

[mmksparbud]

Thought you had a smiley fetish.

LOl! I know, they appear when a certain combination is written, I can't remember what it is. They are not there until you post.

 

[GenemZ]

QUESTION ABOUT ADAM......

Adam was created alone. Adam was male. Adam had the ability to procreate even though his woman had not yet been given to him. Likewise, God chose to create all the angels male without a female counter part. Like Adam, they were given an assignment to first do in the prehistoric creations. They too were involved in some way with animals as Adam was to be in this creation.

Over time, Lucifer became arrogant and malcontent... He then led a rebellion. The angels that fell by following Lucifer blamed God for their actions and REFUSED to repent! They ended up stuck, not knowing they were to receive a female counterpart as a reward from God if they faithfully continued their assigned good work. They failed. Adam was faithful.

Before man was created the angels had no clue as to why they were created male. They lived like kids with their playmates.

Then the new world we now live in was created.

When beautiful, gorgeous women began multiplying in mankind it kindled their latent sexuality and desires they had never known. Some of the angels lusted. Then they developed a resentment towards the Lord for short changing them. Apparently, Satan as he is, did something to te,pt these angels into their sin.. The rest is history.


Now ..

What if Adam became totally bored with naming all the animals of the earth?

Keep in mind, that process could have taken many years. For Adam had to live with all the different animals the Lord brought to him to observe them. After studying them Adam was able to invent a fitting name for each kind.

During those years of naming animals Adam also witnessed to copulation and procreation with the animals brought to him. For, how else could he have known that man shall leave his father and mother and cling to his woman, unless he was already shown how it works? Adam had no father and mother! That is how Adam knew. By watching animals procreating and and giving birth.. Which obviously takes time. Adam named all the animals. It had to take many years to complete.

Again? During that stretch? What if Adam got bored? Fed up... Decided that he was going to eat from the forbidden tree, and afterwards? Refused to repent? Do you think God would have taken an unrepentant Adam and blessed him? To place him into a deep sleep, to bless him with a woman? Not likely. Especially, if he acted like the fallen angels who kept blaming God for their boredom that drove him to rebel. For it was because of their boredom they sought to produce their own glories.

Next scene:

As we can deduct from studying Genesis Six in the Hebrew that angels (sons of God) were created male. And, having the ability to procreate. That ability to procreate indicated that they were originally created that way to have a female.

Why no female angels? The word angel in the Scriptures always is in masculine gender. Never neuter, nor female. The Satanic rebellion and the refusal to repent caused God to call off the blessings that would have provided the joys of sexual love. Then we see certain angels taking these women to themselves with great passion and procreating... producing giants.

grace and peace

 

[JIMINZ]

LOl! I know, they appear when a certain combination is written, I can't remember what it is. They are not there until you post.

<------> it's a : followed by a )

 

[GenemZ]

ok ...

Young's literal translation reads this way...

2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that
they [are] fair, and they take to themselves
women of all whom they have chosen."​

The Hebrew reveals a passionate, almost violent, type of passionate taking to themselves.

 

[GenemZ]

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No one is going to force you to get on the ark.

 

[JIMINZ]

No one is going to force you to get on the ark.

Thank you I didn't know that.

 

[GenemZ]

Thank you I didn't know that.

Were you mocking the previous post with that smiley?

 

[mmksparbud]

QUESTION ABOUT ADAM......

Adam was created alone. Adam was male. Adam had the ability to procreate even though his woman had not yet been given to him. Likewise, God chose to create all the angels male without a female counter part. Like Adam, they were given an assignment to first do in the prehistoric creations. They too were involved in some way with animals as Adam was to be in this creation.

Over time, Lucifer became arrogant and malcontent... He then led a rebellion. The angels that fell by following Lucifer blamed God for their actions and REFUSED to repent! They ended up stuck, not knowing they were to receive a female counterpart as a reward from God if they faithfully continued their assigned good work. They failed. Adam was faithful.

Before man was created the angels had no clue as to why they were created male. They lived like kids with their playmates.

Then the new world was created.

When beautiful, gorgeous women began multiplying in mankind it kindled their latent sexuality and desires they had never known. Some of the angels lusted. Then they developed a resentment towards the Lord for short changing them. Apparently, Satan as he is, did something to te,pt these angels into their sin.. The rest is history.


Now ..

What if Adam became totally bored with naming all the animals of the earth?

Keep in mind, that process could have taken many years. For Adam had to live with all the different animals the Lord brought to him to observe them. After studying them Adam was able to invent a fitting name for each kind.

During those years of naming animals Adam also witnessed to copulation and procreation with the animals brought to him. For, how else could he have known that man shall leave his father and mother and cling to his woman, unless he was already shown how it works? Adam had no father and mother! That is how Adam knew. By watching animals procreating and and giving birth.. Which obviously takes time. Adam named all the animals. It had to take many years to complete.

Again? During that stretch? What if Adam got bored? Fed up... Decided that he was going to eat from the forbidden tree, and afterwards? Refused to repent? Do you think God would have taken an unrepentant Adam and blessed him? To place him into a deep sleep, to bless him with a woman? Not likely. Especially, if he acted like the fallen angels who kept blaming God for their boredom that drove him to rebel. For it was because of their boredom they sought to produce their own glories.

Next scene:

As we can deduct from studying Genesis Six in the Hebrew that angels (sons of God) were created male. And, having the ability to procreate. That ability to procreate indicated that they were originally created that way to have a female.

Why no female angels? The word angel in the Scriptures always is in masculine gender. Never neuter, nor female. The Satanic rebellion and the refusal to repent caused God to call off the blessings that would have provided the joys of sexual love. Then we see certain angels taking these women to themselves with great passion and procreating... producing giants.

grace and peace

So it doesn't matter when God says after their kind??? God made Adam to reproduce. God did not make the angels to reproduce. They are messengers.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.


Are you of the opinion that God created billions of male angels, with fully functioning reproductive organs, but gave them no way to reproduce? Women have been around ever since Eve--so all those billions of angels are up in heaven, seeing all of us females and just sit there lusting after us--no wonder they fell!---Seriously? You think God is so cruel? All those billions of frustrated males have to pay the price of no sex because of Satan when they stayed with God? So for their loyalty to God, they get to stay celibate while the fallen angels get to mate with all those lovely women. Paaahh-lease!!

 

[mmksparbud]

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Thank You!

 

[~Zao~]

Young's literal translation reads this way...

2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that
they [are] fair, and they take to themselves
women of all whom they have chosen."​

The Hebrew reveals a passionate, almost violent, type of passionate taking to themselves.

But whether they married or not they were still fallen angels Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7

According to Jude 6-7 the fornication of different flesh was followed by the example of Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis 19:4-9 “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

6 And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day; 7 just as Sodom and Gomor′rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

 

[mmksparbud]

But whether they married or not they were still fallen angels Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7

According to Jude 6-7 the fornication of different flesh was followed by the example of Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis 19:4-9 “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”

6 And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day; 7 just as Sodom and Gomor′rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Already addressed in post #60.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Two different things took place in the creation of man. In Genesis 1:27? Something at that moment was created 'out from nothing.' The Hebrew word is 'bara.'

In Genesis 2:7? The Lord took what had already been created 'out from nothing' (the earth) and He did not create a body as he had created the male and female human souls in Gen 1.

Instead, He took from the earth that had been already created, and 'molded and formed' (jatsar) out from the elements of the earth a vacant body for the reception of the soul of Adam created in 1:27.

Very important to note!

The Hebrew DOES NOT say the Lord breathed into the nostrils the 'breath of life.' For reasons unknown to serious exegetes, the word is actually in the plural!

Rather, it says.. The Lord God breathed into the nostrils the breath of lives! Plurality!

Why plurality?

To God a human soul is only seen as being alive when its spiritually alive. The unregenerate man is seen as 'dead' to God. What was breathed into Adam's nostrils were both soul, and a human spirit. "Breath of lives." = "A living soul!"

Adam as he was created did not need to be born again. For, he was sinless in his body. Therefor, because Adam was created sinless. For that reason, the Lord was able to immediately impute spiritual life to the soul from the get go. So, into the nostrils were breathed both soul and human spirit! Hence.. A living soul!.. Adam as he was created did not need to be born again. He was created spiritually alive. As a.. "living soul." = Soul + human spirit.

The issue of Adam becoming a living soul used to perplex me, too.

Then my pastor who was a skilled exegetical teacher, showed us that the word breath of lives is what appears in the Hebrew. Its not singular! Its not, 'breath of life.' It reads, 'breath of lives!'

You can Google - breath of lives plurality - and you will see that its what the Hebrew states.

Those who are not yet born again are only body and soul. They have not been given a human spirit that is now given with regeneration. That is why Jesus referred to the unbelievers as 'dead.' As in, "let the dead bury their dead."

Adam's soul began as a living soul. As soul and human spirit! Spiritually alive! When Adam fell? He lost his spirituality. But, was restored after he repented in his heart for his wrong doing. The Lord needed to 'shed animal blood' to provide those animal skins for Adam and Eve! So, atonement as existing at that moment, was provided for, for the repented man and woman.

Umm, yeah. that is just to crazy to even consider continuing on with the discussion.

 

[~Zao~]

Has absolutely nothing to do with half-breed angels. I am getting at what was understood about this passage. Jesus and the disciples had only the OT--and not one of them said a thing about angels and humans being able to reproduce. Angels are a totally different species---We are created lower than the angels---"after their kind"--Angels were not created to reproduce, esp. seeing only males are ever mentioned. And spare the oft totally misinterpreted passage:
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
This is not saying the angels went after strange flesh, but that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities did and they were made an example of what will happen to the wicked.

Leaving their first place of authority is no different than leaving the first love if you want to look at it as a position of authority in which dignity and position are a factor. Do you think Christ went to them to preach the good news? Romans 10:7 ?

 

[mmksparbud]

Leaving their first place of authority is no different than leaving the first love if you want to look at it as a position of authority in which dignity and position are a factor. Do you think Christ went to them to preach the good news? Romans 10:7 ?

Really don't know what you are trying to say and how it relates to half-breed angels. These angels left their first estate---their place of origin, where they lived, their first home, their way of life until then. They left God. I have no doubt, though nothing is explicitly said, that God gave them the opportunity to repent before being caste out.

 

[GenemZ]

Leaving their first place of authority is no different than leaving the first love if you want to look at it as a position of authority in which dignity and position are a factor. Do you think Christ went to them to preach the good news? Romans 10:7 ?

Fallen angels did not hold a place of authority... It was angels that fell.

Two falls. First was Lucifer's rebellion. The next was the frustrated malcontent angels who abandoned their positions of authority to take the women in Genesis Six.

Satan's fallen angels could not have done it. They need to ask permission of the Lord before they can do something like that. Even the demons with Legion had to beg the Lord to allow to enter the herd of swine. And, Jesus told Peter that Satan had asked him permission to allow him to sift Peter like wheat.

Its was not fallen angels in Genesis 6. It was angels who fell at that time.

Fallen angels would never be referred to as "Sons of God" as it appears in the Hebrew text.

 

[~Zao~]

Fallen angels did not hold a place of authority... It was angels that fell.

Two falls. First was Lucifer's rebellion. The next was the frustrated malcontent angels who abandoned their positions of authority to take the women in Genesis Six.

Satan's fallen angels could not have done it. They need to ask permission of the Lord before they can do something like that. Even the demons with Legion had to beg the Lord to allow to enter the herd of swine. And, Jesus told Peter that Satan had asked him permission to allow him to sift Peter like wheat.

Its was not fallen angels in Genesis 6. It was angels who fell at that time.

Fallen angels would never be referred to as "Sons of God" as it appears in the Hebrew text.

I haven’t studied it so don’t know. But thanks for the info. Do know that we (Christians) were created different from angels tho according to the text of Hebrews.

 

[mmksparbud]

Fallen angels did not hold a place of authority... It was angels that fell.

Two falls. First was Lucifer's rebellion. The next was the frustrated malcontent angels who abandoned their positions of authority to take the women in Genesis Six.

Satan's fallen angels could not have done it. They need to ask permission of the Lord before they can do something like that. Even the demons with Legion had to beg the Lord to allow to enter the herd of swine. And, Jesus told Peter that Satan had asked him permission to allow him to sift Peter like wheat.

Its was not fallen angels in Genesis 6. It was angels who fell at that time.

Fallen angels would never be referred to as "Sons of God" as it appears in the Hebrew text.

Please state the verse that says there were 2 falls in heaven. And if fallen angels the 1st time around had to ask permision from God, why did the 2nd batch not need His permision? And how come you have not addressed the points I brought up asbout the size of these beings and the babies women were supposed to have?

 

[GenemZ]

I haven’t studied it so don’t know. But thanks for the info. Do know that we (Christians) were created different from angels tho according to the text of Hebrews.

We were created a little bit lower than angels (that is why angels could have sex with women)...

But, once we are resurrected and have a body just like His own? We will become higher than the highest angel now in existence.

After all, would you not think that Mrs. Jesus Christ would not be higher than the angels? yup! we're in for something too good to be able to comprehend right now.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't care what some pastor says---the bible is quite clear. Indeed, truth is truth--And God doesn't lie. He said clearly why He destroyed the earth and nowhere is DNA or bloodlines mentioned. Nobody has said how tall these half-breeds were, it is stated in the book of Enoch---written in the 1st century, long after the flood.

The book of Enoch... written in the first century... after the flood? Or.. was it written before the flood? If Enoch wrote it.. he lived before the flood.