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Featured Can Christians have evil spirits

Discussion in 'For New Christians' started by Clintpauljohnson, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. RisenInJesus

    RisenInJesus Well-Known Member

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    Have you read the book Different by Nathan Clarkson? You may enjoy it.
    https://www.amazon.com/Different-St...2049&sr=1-1&keywords=different+sally+clarkson

    Nathan was and is constantly described as "different", and even though Nathan struggled (and still does) with depression, anxiety, rebellion, and was diagnosed with OCD, ODD, ADHD, and other learning disabilities- With God's help Nathan was able to take what many would see as "disorders" and "problems" and turn them into "superpowers".
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  2. Clintpauljohnson

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    Seems like a guy I could learn from.

    I'm getting the feeling there is no room for me in the one body of Christ. It like I am a cancer that needs to be cut and other Christians are the surgeon. Why do Christian need spiritual armour if they are not attacked from the devil?
     
  3. RisenInJesus

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    Since the body of Christ/ the church belongs to Jesus, it is He who is building it and He has a place for you. It is too bad that Christians too often fall short of showing love and patience as Jesus does. Even though it must be hard, I encourage you to keep your eyes on Him and not others.

    The New Testament does have a lot to say about being on guard against the devil. My personal view from reading the scriptures is that a believer who is a new creation in Christ with the Holy Spirit indwelling cannot be possessed by a demon, but Christians can be attacked and we need to be aware of that reality.

    I will be praying for you and trusting that Jesus who loves you will open the right doors for you and use your life in very special ways.
     
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  4. Clintpauljohnson

    Clintpauljohnson New Member

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    Thank you.
     
  5. rockytopva

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    If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

    Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

    And there are three varieties...

    Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
    Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
    Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

    When a Christian experienced Christ he should have also experienced a spiritual energy and light. This energy can dissipate away into something else if we are not careful.

    I was at youth conference decades ago and I made reference to, "the devil in church people." One man in particular argued that the devil could not penetrate the blood of the lamb and actually took steps to make it bad for me at conference.

    Years later, at camp meeting, he looks me up and apologizes. I have often wondered what the poor man went through to understand that yes, sometimes the devil can work through church people and give them evil spirits in the process.
     
  6. RisenInJesus

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    You are welcome and remember it is not what others think of you...all that matters is the love Jesus has for you and what He thinks. Try not to compare yourself with others.

    For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. We, however, will not boast beyond measure, but within the limits of the sphere which God appointed us—a sphere which especially includes you. For we are not overextending ourselves (as though our authority did not extend to you), for it was to you that we came with the gospel of Christ; not boasting of things beyond measure, that is, in other men’s labors, but having hope, that as your faith is increased, we shall be greatly enlarged by you in our sphere, to preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man’s sphere of accomplishment.

    But “he who glories, let him glory in the Lord.” For not he who commends himself is approved, but whom the Lord commends. 2 Corinthians 10:12-18
     
  7. GUANO

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    Being possessed by an unclean spirit is not some Hollywood horror or drama. The analogy is simple. If you are angry, you are not 'yourself' and can be called 'possessed'. even something as simple as hunger can alter your consciousness. You are not a singular being as many would like to believe, you are an amalgam of spirits that are evoked when certain criteria is met. You are not John, Larry, or Linda. You are a human who manifests spirits constantly, you are joyful, happy, content, angry, murderous, lustful, righteous, loving etc., etc. depending on the circumstances. If you are not consciously in control of your emotions and your behavior is not always in line with the higher principles of God then you are being controlled by the automatic processes in the subconscious, the deamons of the underworld. Deamons themselves are not the same thing as an evil spirit, deamons are the force that evokes the evil spirit that motivates evil behavior---the emotional state and behavior itself is the spirit and it's form. They don't live lives of their own, they are not conscious, they issue fourth from the abyss of the human heart and imagination. There are much higher and lower spirits than simple envy, greed and the like. Anything that can influence your thinking and worldview even on the most subtle level is a spirit, it's not mystical, it's psychological. Demonology is psychology. There is nothing that can enter your body that can make you unclean, only that which comes out of you can make you unclean.
     
  8. Blade

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    Hi..your question "can have". There is no verse that says YES. Our personally beliefs are not Gods word. Its very clear Jesus comes in if we asked..as in Rev 3:20. Can we be EFFECTED by them? Yes. Well say you go into some dark building full of smoke and what not. Hard to breath.. it effects how you SEE HEAR FEEL so forth. And you can get on the wrong path. But.. be in you.. one would have to find a way to kick out A GOD :)

    But.. you have no fear of them. For greater is He that is in you then he thats in the world. And Jesus gave you "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." <----this is not a nice idea a wonderful thought.. it IS in you! Was given to you. Unless we go where we were not called.. not told to go.. you can get stomped on by the enemy. But.. you are in the Fathers hands.. no fear of this world nor of satan and his angels or demons. Be of GOOD CHEER! Jesus over came this world. And you have the peace of GOD and the joy of the lord
     
  9. Clintpauljohnson

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    My philosophy is that you you get rid of darkness by exposing it to light.
     
  10. Clintpauljohnson

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    My Thoughts are being attacked at times. Who ultimately controls my thoughts?

    2 Corinthians 10:3-5King James Version (KJV)
    3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

    4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

    5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
     
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  11. Victor E.

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    The light is God's Word. The darkness is the secular world. Merely believing in God does not bring transformation, but when we act on that belief we start to grow spiritually and the light becomes more real to us than the darkness.

    Whatever we take in through our gates (eyes, ears primarily) has an influence in our heart/mind. If we are not reading God's word and living it out...we deceive our own selves..even if we think ourselves a good person...what we perceive as light...is actually darkness if we are not being led by the Word.

    '“The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!" Matthew 6:22-23

    So the light does fluctuate according to our faith and obedience because our attention generally determines our beliefs and realities.

    To answer your question whether or not believers can have evil spirits...the short answer is yes. It's not uncommon for a Christian who's living in sinful addictions to have more than one unclean spirit. This is why faith without works is dead.

    'What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by myworks. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only' James 2:14-22

    Furthermore, allow me to clarify that evil spirits can only reside in the born-again believer's flesh/body/soul but not their spirit. A clean cut example would be drug addictions. So when a believer slips into serious sin addictions, they may be oppressed or even manifest demons.

    A nonbeliever (someone who rejects God) can always be oppressed by demons because they are by nature, children of the devil (children of wrath). Thier entire nature is fallen until they are born again as a new creation.

    'And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others' Ephesians 2:1-3

    It is for this reason all believers should be baptized in full immersion water (1 Peter 3:21) and begotten of the Holy Spirit and live in ongoing repentance, otherwise they are not being faithful to Christ and give their legal rights over to the devil...who knows what kind of spiritual oppression they may endure in their time of disobedience. The good news is that when we are obedient and filled with the Word and the Holy Spirit (and love) we are mighty warriors for the Kingdom of God and we can destroy the works of the devil.

    'But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will' 2 Timothy 2:20-26 (NKJV)
     
  12. Clintpauljohnson

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    I see, and the brain and mind is part of the body? Because I do get attacked visually and thought wise.
     
  13. Victor E.

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    Yes, the brain and mind.

    'Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

    You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit gives you life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who dwells within you' Romans 8:1-11

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    'I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

    Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another' Galatians 5:16-26

    'Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you' Philippians 4:8-9
     
  14. Clintpauljohnson

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    Can the Holy Spirit alter our minds and set up shop in our heads then ultimately control our thoughts
     
  15. Victor E.

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    Short answer...yes. Romans 12:1-3

    A testimony I recently shared about my younger spiritual life..

    'Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you' James 4:7-10

    'Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. Consider what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what zeal, what vindication! In every way you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter' 2 Corinthians 7:10-11

    Repenting to submission under the Lordship of Christ is the practical and Biblical way to do 'self-deliverance'. When I started seriously repenting God delivered me from various types of demons and evil spirits via intercessory prayer and mourning. I was at the time, reading the books of Jeremiah and Job when His mighty hand broke a generational curse (a large dark clawed arm that was lodged in my shoulder, I was able to see it in the spirit realm) off of my body and soul and filled me with His Holy Spirit. Yes, I did see the manifestation of wickedness often before the Lord delivered me into the Kingdom of light. I had considered myself a 'believer' for ~19 years before then but it was the enemy speaking lies to keep me from knowing Jesus as He wanted me to.

    You can't convince me that 'believers' (most use that term in a casual sense) cannot be oppressed or possessed by demons. Ephesians 2:1-3 says before an authentic covenant with Christ Messiah, we are by nature of Adam, in covenant as children of the devil and every other evil spirit that works in the kingdom of darkness. 1 John 3 clearly defines the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil. Yes, not everyone who calls themselves a believer is actually in an authentic covenant with Christ Messiah. It is the harsh reality. While we are in union with the Kingdom of darkness there is no protection from the evil one. So when praying for someone who is (by knowledge of the fruit they bear) not of the good tree (Christ), they will not be completely set free until they receive Jesus Christ as their LORD and savior.

    On a different note, prior to full immersion water Baptism, I was already speaking in tongues and had done miracles in Jesus name. I'm still fully convinced that full immersion water baptism in Jesus name, is not optional for anyone who calls him Lord. Water Baptism is something we may not opt to do out of ignorance or doctrinal error, but I fully consider it part of the doctrine of salvation (soteriology). Just thought I'd share this little testimony of jumbled thoughts that are Scriptural. I don't necessarily consider my dead self of any relevance but maybe it helps someone understand something.'

    Also I've cast demons out of 'believers' on more than one occasion. I also used to suffer from manic bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia and PTSD...the Lord healed it all and I never needed medication again. Just a tad bit about my background and experience...I could talk about suicidal attempts etc and go on and on about all kinds of experience and spiritual exploits...but I suppose this practical way of speaking may be more helpful than just posting God-breathed words.
     
  16. Clintpauljohnson

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    Amen.
    King James Bible
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    All I seen my first 35 plus years was doom and gloom now I feel I have a glimpse of the Holy Spirit and the evil spirits are under our/my bootstrap inwhich He and I control.

    We are a new Creation

    2 Corinthians 5:17-21New King James Version (NKJV)
    17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

    20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
     
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    That is great to hear. There is hope for me yet. I suffer from schizo affective bi polar ADHD and Aspergers. I am a strong believer in cognitive behavioral therapy using scripture.
     
  18. jesus316

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    "Can Christians have evil spirits "

    Depends on what you mean. In my view the souls of humans reside in the spiritual realm, as do all other spirits. We are currently living in rather cramped quarters with the powers of darkness, and are influenced by them -- some more so than others. And I think it is possible to reduce the interactions and influence -- some more so than others. Certainly it helps to refrain from mortal sin and to keep images, sounds, and stories out of the mind, soul, heart, thoughts. These come from TV, movies, songs, ads, news, video games, the culture at large, billboards -- everywhere.

    Those having psychological issues should be talking regularly to a qualified psychologist. I think Christians-at-large and pastors are doing a great disservice to these in using the Bible and Christian teaching as therapy.
     
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    Psychological problems need to be taken care of at the root of the problem. It takes years for a therapist to uncover them, but it's the bitter roots that need to be dealt with. Talking with Christ is the better solution imo.
     
  20. Clintpauljohnson

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    Wrong CBT is strong Christian technique I feel for how wise I am and knowledgable is he.
     
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