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Your just triggering emotions off a word called calvinism.That is your interpretation from your calvinist bias. It does say the weak and despised are chosen, but it does not say God chose. It simply says chosen. The bible uses pronouns and many vague grammatical structures that leaves this open to interpretation. If it was plain and clear, then no one would disagree. But the disagreements are thousands of years old. And the Calvin vs Arminus dispute is half a millennia.
Your argument makes little sense. You chose your profession, but God prepared you for your profession. I became a gymnastics coach when I was in my 20's because that is all I knew how to do since I was a gymnast. I came to Christ at 32, twelve years later. I sought the Lord on what He wanted me to do for my profession. He told me to coach gymnastics because it was good for children. Who made the choice? I did. But why did I make that choice? Because God prepared me to make that choice. Choice with God is a two way street, not one way. We are both involved with the choice.You can try to deflect by criticizing Calvinism, but it won't help.
I have a chosen profession. Did I chose the profession? Did it choose me? Did we choose each other?
Whenever something is chosen, something is acted upon. Chosen/elect are biblical words, and they mean something. Trying to change them to fit a theology is bad form.
Fine. I admit I find the doctrine reprehensible. I do not find followers of the doctrine reprehensible, but I find talking to them, as I said, before to be a monologue. There is never any interest in inquiring why a person embraces free will, but only a constant proof texting to prove that Calvinism is right. No argument will convince me because I also listen to my heart and common sense regarding my relationship with Christ. Calvinism is not a heart doctrine, it is an academic doctrine of the head.Your just triggering emotions off a word called calvinism.
I really think you missed the point. Anything that is chosen does not do the chosing. So if we were picking teams, and I chose Bobby to be on my team, who did the choosing?Your argument makes little sense. You chose your profession, but God prepared you for your profession. I became a gymnastics coach when I was in my 20's because that is all I knew how to do since I was a gymnast. I came to Christ at 32, twelve years later. I sought the Lord on what He wanted me to do for my profession. He told me to coach gymnastics because it was good for children. Who made the choice? I did. But why did I make that choice? Because God prepared me to make that choice. Choice with God is a two way street, not one way. We are both involved with the choice.
Also, who are the Elect? From a natural reading, all who come to Christ. But who does God call the Elect? I am convinced the Elect is Jesus. He is God's choice. And all of us who answer the invitation to accept the salvation of Christ become part of Jesus, so we are also the Elect.
If you listen to your heart and common sense, and neither are informed by the word, then you are worshipping an idol.Fine. I admit I find the doctrine reprehensible. I do not find followers of the doctrine reprehensible, but I find talking to them, as I said, before to be a monologue. There is never any interest in inquiring why a person embraces free will, but only a constant proof texting to prove that Calvinism is right. No argument will convince me because I also listen to my heart and common sense regarding my relationship with Christ. Calvinism is not a heart doctrine, it is an academic doctrine of the head.
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
No argument will convince me because I also listen to my heart and common sense
Those who choose salvation. It is a two way street. God knows those who will choose salvation, so they are his chosen, but we elect to choose salvation, thus we are the elect. Of course this is not how Calvinists define the terms so you will argue against it. What I find objectionable to the Calvinism is the irresponsibility that the doctrine promotes. If God chooses who is saved then the White Throne Judgement becomes a kangaroo court. But I do not believe that. Fairness means all have the same opportunity. If one if foreordained to damnation, then how is that fair? Yes, I understand that the wisdom of God is higher than mankind and that things that may seem unfair to us are still fair. But Jesus said we have to believe like little children. Right and wrong can be understood by children, so I don't believe my view of the White Throne Judgement is wrong. It is not a kangaroo court, and all are given the chance to accept or reject salvation. It is our choice to accept or reject. God's choice is that all abide in Christ. But Calvinists screw it up with the idea that the will of God is irresistible. I suppose if God were a tyrant as the omnipotent He could, but he chooses us to allow us to resist his desire because he gave us free will (again Calvinists deny free will, only a will) but it is free to reject Him as already shown in the Garden of Eden.
Guess we don't need the Great Commission. Jesus obviously was mistaken about it. Missionaries are a complete waste of time. . .
In most cases, yes.Do you believe that a person who lives and dies without ever hearing about Jesus automatically goes to Hell?
Alex,
Let me give a couple of verses that I believe will back up what you have just said. One is from the OT and one from the NT.
The prophet Amos talks about the Chosen People.
2“You only have I chosen
of all the families of the earth;
therefore I will punish you
for all your sins.”
3 Do two walk together
unless they have agreed to do so?
Amos 3:2-3 NIV
Do two walk together if they have not agreed? Yes, it is a mutual decision.
10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:10-11 NIV
Yes, “your calling” and your “election” must be confirmed, and confirmed by actions. That is why Peter says to “do these things.”
Your intellect trumps God's Spirit.Therein lies the problem. Your heart and common sense trump God's Word. Let God's Word form your thinking, and you will be in an infinitely better place.
Right. He doesn't just favor the Jews.
Unbelievers. I'm not a universalist.
Do you think unbelievers fear Him?The verse says those who fear him AND do what is right. It says nothing about belief.
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