Can any way explain ...

[Knee V]

I LOVE BAROQUE!!!!!

meh... I can do without Baroque. You can have my share of it.

 

[MariaRegina]

Perhaps you think I have gone over the top here. Perhaps I have. But I know what happens on the other side.

I have been an undercover cop and a member of a motor cycle gang. I've seen most of what happens. Clean kids suck into a system that feeds on youth and innocence to do the dirty work.

I've seen the faces of those who are the 'suits' behind it all and they could not care less for anyone except themselves. They are the face of 'respectability'. They are protected by circles of various forms of low life - the enforcers. The object is to suck the young in to do the dirty up-front work. And the way in is through drugs and heavy metal music.

A friend of mine, son of a pastor, was sucked in and told me he had to come up with $16K of he was dead in a fortnight. He won $24K on a lotto ticket - a get out jail free card if ever there was one to get. Yes, he paid off his debt but he just kept on dealing and the last I heard was that he escape death when he house was burnt down. He out at the time but his sister and friend were incinerated.

Heavy metal is an enticer - a way in - the baited trap. I know not everyone ends up alone dead in a flat but there many that do.

For these boards to tolerate part of that system is beyond comprehension. Flaunt your heavy metal taste elsewhere not in God's house.

I agree.

We should be singing the songs of the Divine Liturgy on our lips and praying the Jesus Prayer unceasingly.


Have you ever listened to this song:

http://deesongs.homestead.com/churchbells.html

 

[neon_knights]

If you think metal is evil, then you would have to think that all other music besides church music is also evil.

The argument is completely invalid otherwise.

 

[Kaonashi]

Why is a Anglican objecting to a thread in a Orthodox forum anyways? I seriously think you have Gangs and music mixed up

 

[MariaRegina]

Why is a Anglican objecting to a thread in a Orthodox forum anyways? I seriously think you have Gangs and music mixed up

Are you an inquirer, Kaonashi?

If so, welcome to TAW.

However, wayseer is also searching. He is a now a regular poster in TAW, one whom I cherish as a friend.

The type of music we listen to does affect our nous. If we listen to dark music, it will darken our nous and make our awareness of God diminish. This is not good for our salvation. This is why the Apostle Paul tells us to pray unceasingly, and to sing songs and psalms to God. Listening to secular music takes our minds off God.

As always, ask your priest.

 

[Protoevangel]

Are you an inquirer, Kaonashi?

If so, welcome to TAW.

However, wayseer is also searching. He is a now a regular poster in TAW, one whom I cherish as a friend.

The type of music we listen to does affect our nous. If we listen to dark music, it will darken our nous and make our awareness of God diminish. This is not good for our salvation. This is why the Apostle Paul tells us to pray unceasingly, and to sing songs and psalms to God. Listening to secular music takes our minds off God.

As always, ask your priest.

But wayseer's rabid, irrational and fundamentalist-styled attack is not against "secular music", it is against heavy metal, which by extension, includes Christian metal.

And yes, my priest is aware on my musical tastes and the fact that I am planning a Christian Metal project myself.

 

[MariaRegina]

But wayseer's rabid, irrational and fundamentalist-styled attack is not against "secular music", it is against heavy metal, which by extension, includes Christian metal.

And yes, my priest is aware on my musical tastes and the fact that I am planning a Christian Metal project myself.

We had a couple of young ones in our parish who were also in to Christian Metal. They are now OCA priests.
I have not corresponded with them in several years, so I do not know if their tastes have changed.

 

[Dorothea]

AKA The Blues Harp

You're reading me, exactly.

 

[neon_knights]

‪Believer - Stop The Madness‬‏ - YouTube

Yeah, all metal really is about is drugs.

 

[Dorothea]

Although I personally can't stand metal music - too hard for me - I dont think a person is awful who chooses to listen to it. I mean, I feel the same about movies, tv, etc. I can't watch violence, sex, and the like, because my mind keeps everything vividly ffrom anywhere to a few days to a couple decades. But there are plenty of people who can watch or listen to music or movies that aren't Christian and separate it out fine. I realize there are some people that can't also. I have to monitor myself, as I've said. I'm too sensitive.

Anyhow, i don't know why I felt I had to go on about all this. Sorry for my ramblings.

Ps: sorry for typos. I'm on my phone again.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

‪Theocracy - Laying the demon to rest LYRICS‬‏ - YouTube

if someone is able to lure kids into dealing drugs and living a life of crime with this song...they at least deserve a medal for "most creative way of making bad boys" ever.

 

[Gregorios]

Fundamentalism, of any kind, is very bad and it's highly contrary to Holy Orthodoxy.

 

[neon_knights]

I monitor myself as well. I will not listen to anything that blatantly is blasphemes God, or glorifies Satan. I also try to limit my exposure to sexual lyrics, as well as lyrics that promote drugs.

No form of music is inherently evil. If you think one form of music is evil, then you have to think ALL forms of music are evil, with the exception of church music.

 

[MariaRegina]

Although I personally can't stand metal music - too hard for me - I dont think a person is awful who chooses to listen to it. I mean, I feel the same about movies, tv, etc. I can't watch violence, sex, and the like, because my mind keeps everything vividly ffrom anywhere to a few days to a couple decades. But there are plenty of people who can watch or listen to music or movies that aren't Christian and separate it out fine. I realize there are some people that can't also. I have to monitor myself, as I've said. I'm too sensitive.

Anyhow, i don't know why I felt I had to go on about all this. Sorry for my ramblings.

Ps: sorry for typos. I'm on my phone again.

I guess my dysfunctional in-laws are a good case in point.

They rarely attend church anymore because they are watching sex laden movies late at night on Saturday and are too sleepy to arise from sleep.

They like heavy metal music and cater to the movie business.

The other relatives complain that whenever we gather together for a big noisy feast day, the movies selected are not appropriate for the younger generation: PG-13 (with nudity and sex and drugs) or R rated (with more of the same). The parents of the children say that they are exposing their children to everything and letting them make the decision. These children go into another room unsupervised and let the adults watch these movies.

I will let you in to a secret. When I was four years old I was molested and almost raped because my parents told the kids to go into another bedroom UNSUPERVISED so that the parents could enjoy their adult movie without the kids bothering them. IS SOMETHING WRONG HERE?

COME ON. It is time to grow up. Many of us suffer from spiritual Peter Pan syndrome. "I don't want to grow up. I don't want to be a saint."

We are Orthodox Christians. Everything we do (watching TV and metal music) DOES distort our nous so that we can no longer see our guardian angels. I guess that does not matter anymore. And this is not fundamentalism. It is reality.

 

[MKJ]

Well, I have heard fairly convincing arguments that rock&roll is essentially about sex - not necessarily the lyrics, but the beat and the structure of it.

To be honest, I often think that most of the really good R&R is about sex.

I think it is worthwhile to consider what the musical style is about as well as the text, because it is about something - it isn't random.

But most people's taste in music seems to be an "eye of the beholder" thing without much more to it. I seriously doubt that most people who (inexplicably to me) enjoy metal are likely become drug pushers, bikers, or Satanists.

In any case, I like Marvin Gaye, and Bob Marley, and the Rolling Stones, but I don't think I am in danger of becoming a smooth talking/pot smoking/sex machine/heroine addict. I also like Palestrina, and Mahalia Jackson, and Bach. People have a lot of different sides.

 

[neon_knights]

MariaRegina, I'm very sorry to hear about that terrible event which occured in the past.

But I will say it again, not all metal music is about sex, drugs, and Satan. There is a lot of it which is not, actually.

 

[Dorothea]

I guess my dysfunctional in-laws are a good case in point.

They rarely attend church anymore because they are watching sex laden movies late at night on Saturday and are too sleepy to arise from sleep.

They like heavy metal music and cater to the movie business.

The other relatives complain that whenever we gather together for a big noisy feast day, the movies selected are not appropriate for the younger generation: PG-13 (with nudity and sex and drugs) or R rated (with more of the same). The parents of the children say that they are exposing their children to everything and letting them make the decision. These children go into another room unsupervised and let the adults watch these movies.

I will let you in to a secret. When I was four years old I was molested and almost raped because my parents told the kids to go into another bedroom UNSUPERVISED so that the parents could enjoy their adult movie without the kids bothering them. IS SOMETHING WRONG HERE?

COME ON. It is time to grow up. Many of us suffer from spiritual Peter Pan syndrome. "I don't want to grow up. I don't want to be a saint."

We are Orthodox Christians. Everything we do (watching TV and metal music) DOES distort our nous so that we can no longer see our guardian angels. I guess that does not matter anymore. And this is not fundamentalism. It is reality.

I'm sorry about what happened to you, Maria. Lord, have mercy.

My priest in my former parish (a wonderful man) did say what we take in (exposed to via movies, tv, video games and the like) on a regular basis, does darken the soul a little at a time. I believe it can do this. Having said that, I don't believe I should be judging my parents, my sister, my friends, and strangers if they watch an R movie once and a while or listen to some music that may be iffy or OTT. As I said before, some people are not as effected by these things. They're able to slough it off and not let it fester in them.

 

[neon_knights]

I have to agree with Dorothea on this.

 

[choirfiend]

The ancient greeks had theories of music, ones that claimed that various "modes," or systematic classifications of music with distinct scales, melodic patterns, and meters, affected the human psyche in various ways, some high, some base. Certain modes were used for war chants, others for dance, funerals, etc. It makes sense to me that there are affects upon the body/soul with music, because after all, music is a form of communication and emotional expression that has no equal.

I believe that there can be "bad" aspects of music in any genre, and while I enjoy pretty much all music, and don't have anything against "metal" since that has been the topic discussed, there are more "bad" influences felt in rock and R&B that are easily discernible to untrained ears. There's a reason why club music makes you feel like grinding up on someone, and it has nothing directly to do with the lyrics (although lyrics have a huge impact, one can remove them and still see affects upon people.)

There have always been such effects found by various cultures in various musics, from the emotionalism of the Romantic period to the spiritual "purity" of a capella music used in the RCC until the recent past. Our degree of awareness and the effects of them relate to our understanding of the musical techniques and, I believe, the desensitizing that we continue to dull ourselves with from the never-ending stream of technology and entertainment in our daily lives.

Music CAN and DOES have an effect on people. The awareness of these effects and the ability of the listener to be aware of, understand, and negate these effects varies greatly person to person. In instances where the listener can't negate the effects, ceasing to listen to the music would be the spiritually beneficial choice.

 

[tapi]

Perhaps you think I have gone over the top here. Perhaps I have. But I know what happens on the other side.

I have been an undercover cop and a member of a motor cycle gang. I've seen most of what happens. Clean kids suck into a system that feeds on youth and innocence to do the dirty work.

I've seen the faces of those who are the 'suits' behind it all and they could not care less for anyone except themselves. They are the face of 'respectability'. They are protected by circles of various forms of low life - the enforcers. The object is to suck the young in to do the dirty up-front work. And the way in is through drugs and heavy metal music.

A friend of mine, son of a pastor, was sucked in and told me he had to come up with $16K of he was dead in a fortnight. He won $24K on a lotto ticket - a get out jail free card if ever there was one to get. Yes, he paid off his debt but he just kept on dealing and the last I heard was that he escape death when he house was burnt down. He out at the time but his sister and friend were incinerated.

Heavy metal is an enticer - a way in - the baited trap. I know not everyone ends up alone dead in a flat but there many that do.

For these boards to tolerate part of that system is beyond comprehension. Flaunt your heavy metal taste elsewhere not in God's house.

I'm sorry to say, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum I'm sorry to hear about these bad things you have encountered but to claim that a liking to heavy metal is behind it all.. -.-