Can a Homosexual be a Christian?

[lincolngreen50]

There are many Christians and non-Christians who do not regard same-sex love as a sin. Gallup polls show a majority of Americans now believe that "homosexuality is an acceptable alternative lifestyle." I dislike the phrasing of the question, since being gay is not a "lifestyle." But the poll results show that most Americans do not regard same-sex relationships as a sin.

Most Americans are not practising Christians so that poll is meaningless

 

[lincolngreen50]

I'm not worried about that.

Whether you are worried or not or whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.
It is what Most Christians believe.
We are nearing the end times and false churches will rise.
Real Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs.
False Churches are rising all the time.
This will culminate with the rise of the Anti Christ who will masquerade as the One Christ.
People will be fooled.
It is starting already because there are posters on this board who are being fooled by false teachings.
There are posters on this board who do not believe in the Word of God,that Christ is One with God.
Who do not believe in the Bible as the Word of God.
The cornerstone of Christian belief.
Some Christians will be fooled but there will be many Christians who will hold out to the return of Jesus Christ.
They will have their reward in His Kingdom and those who are deceivers,sexual immoral and idolaters will not see the Kingdom of Heaven

 

[Ohioprof]

Whether you are worried or not or whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.
It is what Most Christians believe.
We are nearing the end times and false churches will rise.
Real Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs.
False Churches are rising all the time.
This will culminate with the rise of the Anti Christ who will masquerade as the One Christ.
People will be fooled.
It is starting already because there are posters on this board who are being fooled by false teachings.
There are posters on this board who do not believe in the Word of God,that Christ is One with God.
Who do not believe in the Bible as the Word of God.
The cornerstone of Christian belief.
Some Christians will be fooled but there will be many Christians who will hold out to the return of Jesus Christ.
They will have their reward in His Kingdom and those who are deceivers,sexual immoral and idolaters will not see the Kingdom of Heaven

Again, you are free to believe all of this. I do not believe any of it. I do not presume to be able to see into the future.

 

[Ohioprof]

Most Americans are not practising Christians so that poll is meaningless

More than 80% of Americans self-identify as Christians. They may not believe in the same doctrines you do, but they consider themselves to be Christians. Whether they put much energy into practicing their faith is another question.

 

[Floatingaxe]

In answer to the OP:

No.

 

[onemessiah]

With all due respect, LG50....

Real Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs.

Real christians also persecute OTHERS for THEIR beliefs.

This will culminate with the rise of the Anti Christ who will masquerade as the One Christ.

Not really. It's a story. Written to the persecuted christians, about Emporer Nero, most likely.

People will be fooled.

onemessiah surfing through tv stations on Sunday morning-
"....and the Lord wants you to open your hearts and wallets to ABC Church!"

It is starting already because there are posters on this board who are being fooled by false teachings.

You're right. And I agree. I'm also worried about those who discriminate against innocent people because of their sexual preferences.

There are posters on this board who do not believe in the Word of God,that Christ is One with God.
Who do not believe in the Bible as the Word of God.
The cornerstone of Christian belief.

True. There is no evidence for them to believe such things. Must be the devil's work; covering up all the evidence.

 

[Phinehas2]

More than 80% of Americans self-identify as Christians. They may not believe in the same doctrines you do, but they consider themselves to be Christians.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light so this means nothing. Also doctrine about Jesus Christ is what identifies people as Christians, not doctrine about themselves

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear onemessiah,

Real christians also persecute OTHERS for THEIR beliefs

I know that in some Islamic countries for example Saudi Arabia, one cannot become a Christian without the thread of imprisonment and worse, so I know that Christians are perseucted, but can you tell me an example of where real Christians persecute others for their beliefs?

 

[Ohioprof]

Satan masquerades as an angel of light so this means nothing. Also doctrine about Jesus Christ is what identifies people as Christians, not doctrine about themselves

I do not believe that being a Christian requires adherence to a particular doctrine.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear onemessiah,
I know that in some Islamic countries for example Saudi Arabia, one cannot become a Christian without the thread of imprisonment and worse, so I know that Christians are perseucted, but can you tell me an example of where real Christians persecute others for their beliefs? [/SIZE][/FONT]

Reverend Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church persecute gay people by picketing the funerals of gay men who have died of AIDS. They hold up signs denouncing the person who died and saying that this person in is hell. More recently, probably because this picketing was not getting them as much attention as they wanted, they began picketing the funerals of troops who died in Iraq, saying they died as God's punishment for America's acceptance of "homosexuality." They say regularly that God hates f#gs. Their website is http://www.godhatesf#gs.com. Just substitute the letter for the #, and the link will get you there.

Most Christians, of course, do not agree with Fred Phelps' statements, and many regard him as not truly a Christian. But he considers himself to be a Christian, and he claims that he is upholding God's word from scripture.

Most Christians in the United States do not and never would persecute gay people the way Phelps does, thankfully. A few extremists, like Eric Rudolph, have made violent attacks on gay people, justifying their attacks on the basis of their Christian faith. Most Christians would never support this kind of action. Many Christians in the United States support discriminating against gay people under the law, but this does not rise to the level of persecution, in my view.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Most Americans are not practising Christians so that poll is meaningless

Do you have a citation for your assertion?

 

[OllieFranz]

Do you have a citation for your assertion?

To their way of thinking, they don't need a cite. Since "All true Christians" would by definition vote the same way they do, if the majority of Christians do not vote their way, they can't be "True Scotsmen Christians."

It must be nice to be so sure of yourself that facts, and truth don't matter and you don't have to think. Unfortunately I am committed to Jesus and His Truth and can't ignore the brain that He's given me.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

To their way of thinking, they don't need a cite. Since "All true Christians" would by definition vote the same way they do, if the majority of Christians do not vote their way, they can't be "True Scotsmen Christians."

It must be nice to be so sure of yourself that facts, and truth don't matter and you don't have to think. Unfortunately I am committed to Jesus and His Truth and can't ignore the brain that He's given me.

Amen, bro. God's Truth is not always tidy, which makes life more interesting, and infinitely more beautiful!

 

[lincolngreen50]

To their way of thinking, they don't need a cite. Since "All true Christians" would by definition vote the same way they do, if the majority of Christians do not vote their way, they can't be "True ScotsmenChristians."

It must be nice to be so sure of yourself that facts, and truth don't matter and you don't have to think. Unfortunately I am committed to Jesus and His Truth and can't ignore the brain that He's given me.

This is my citation and by the way I am English.
Matthew 16:24-27 (New King James Version



Take Up the Cross and Follow Him


24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Whether they put much energy into practicing their faith is another question.[/quote]

Well,we finally agree on something

 

[ChaliceThunder]

This is my citation and by the way I am English.
Matthew 16:24-27 (New King James Version



Take Up the Cross and Follow Him


24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Great citation - thank you.

However, it does nothing to support this claim you made:
Originally Posted by lincolngreen50
Most Americans are not practising Christians so that poll is meaningless

 

[lincolngreen50]

Great citation - thank you.

However, it does nothing to support this claim you made:
Originally Posted by lincolngreen50
Most Americans are not practising Christians so that poll is meaningless

I was one of those non practising Christians until I was born again in Christ.
For years I thought because I was born into the Church of England I was automatically a Christian and would go to Heaven but this is not the case as I found out a few years ago.
Most of my friends, family and co-workers and people around me believe in God and call themselves a Christian but would never step foot into a church unless its Christmas, Easter or Baptism or Wedding.
Practising means doing what the Word of God says. I don't need a citation for what I see around me.
There was a poll done awhile back in Britain. Most believe they were Christians but the church attendence has gone down tremendously. Some of these churches, are being sold as apartments to maintain the grounds. The numbers do not add up.
Therefore I would take that poll that was Quoted in the US with a pinch of salt.
The flaw with this poll is that they need to include the actual church attendence. This is what will give a true picture.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I was one of those non practising Christians until I was born again in Christ.
For years I thought because I was born into the Church of England I was automatically a Christian and would go to Heaven but this is not the case as I found out a few years ago.
Most of my friends, family and co-workers and people around me believe in God and call themselves a Christian but would never step foot into a church unless its Christmas, Easter or Baptism or Wedding.
Practising means doing what the Word of God says. I don't need a citation for what I see around me.
There was a poll done awhile back in Britain. Most believe they were Christians but the church attendence has gone down tremendously. Some of these churches, are being sold as apartments to maintain the grounds. The numbers do not add up.
Therefore I would take that poll that was Quoted in the US with a pinch of salt.
The flaw with this poll is that they need to include the actual church attendence. This is what will give a true picture.

While I agree with you that church attendance is a good thing - I do not think it is what makes a Christian.

It can certainly make us better Christians!

 

[Floatingaxe]

True. There is no evidence for them to believe such things. Must be the devil's work; covering up all the evidence.

No evidence is required. We have faith. It is accredited to us as righteousness. Blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe!

 

[onemessiah]

Reverend Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church persecute gay people by picketing the funerals of gay men who have died of AIDS. They hold up signs denouncing the person who died and saying that this person in is hell. More recently, probably because this picketing was not getting them as much attention as they wanted, they began picketing the funerals of troops who died in Iraq, saying they died as God's punishment for America's acceptance of "homosexuality." They say regularly that God hates f#gs. Their website is http://www.godhatesf#gs.com. Just substitute the letter for the #, and the link will get you there.

Most Christians, of course, do not agree with Fred Phelps' statements, and many regard him as not truly a Christian. But he considers himself to be a Christian, and he claims that he is upholding God's word from scripture.

Most Christians in the United States do not and never would persecute gay people the way Phelps does, thankfully. A few extremists, like Eric Rudolph, have made violent attacks on gay people, justifying their attacks on the basis of their Christian faith. Most Christians would never support this kind of action. Many Christians in the United States support discriminating against gay people under the law, but this does not rise to the level of persecution, in my view.

Rats! You beat me to the punch!
Or, you could just browse these boards for more examples.