Can a habitually Sexually Immoral Christian who is saved go to heaven??

[SAAN]

So, the question really should be "Can a person who commits a sin be admitted to heaven?".
The answer is yes. Any sinner, like the thief on the cross, who repented in his last moments of life, can be saved, and will be. The point is repentance. Also, look at the question, as presented. You have a 'habitually sexually immoral Christian' who is then 'saved' (meaning he's no longer sexually immoral). So...yes. He can be. Just so you know, Augustine of Hippo was one of those...he was a womanizer who fathered a child out of wedlock. He's famous for saying "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner, but not yet." or something to that effect. He went on to convert to Christianity, became a bishop, and ultimately a Doctor of the Church and a saint.

I was not referring to those who commit sexual immorality all the time then realize their sin and repent from it.

I am referring to the millions of born again believers who have accepted Jesus as their savior, knows what the bible say about sexual immorality and fornication, yet still live a life of sexual immorality. Can they who know the truth in scriptures, but still continue to do as they please......if they die in their sins unrepentant, will they go to heaven???

 

[Honest Al]

I was not referring to those who commit sexual immorality all the time then realize their sin and repent from it.

I am referring to the millions of born again believers who have accepted Jesus as their savior, knows what the bible say about sexual immorality and fornication, yet still live a life of sexual immorality. Can they who know the truth in scriptures, but still continue to do as they please......if they die in their sins unrepentant, will they go to heaven???

I'm glad you keep clarifying your point and your question.
Maybe I shouldn't speak so strongly, but it's an absolute abomination to try to make the case that the people in that second paragraph are going to heaven. (And it most certainly isn't what the Bible teaches.)

 

[Honest Al]

Brother Honest Al, reading the passage at face value saint Paul is speaking of himself when he says "I am ..." is he not?

Yes, he most certainly was speaking of himself... but he was speaking of himself when he was the convicted sinner Paul, not saint Paul.

And let me try once again, via another comparison, to show you why I'm convinced of that (and of course, try to convince you also in the process).
Paul in Romans 7 says:

"Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin." {vs. 24 NLT}

Now read what Jesus says:

"If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." {John 8:36} (I would encourage you to read John 8:31-36)

If you would, I'd like to know what that comparison says to you.

God Bless,

P.S.--Allow me to share what I believe is one of the most important truths in all the Bible:

"Ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all you heart." {Jeremiah 29:13}

And as always, God truly does mean what He says.

 

[Setyoufree]

Can they who know the truth in scriptures, but still continue to do as they please......if they die in their sins unrepentant, will they go to heaven???

Go to Gal 5:16 "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh (our fallen human nature) sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh ; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please."

The Spirit of God, residing in your inner mind (spirit), opposes the desires of your nature so that you cannot, as a lifestyle, live for the desires of the flesh.

Now, that doesn't mean you will not sin, but when you do your conscience will bug you. Now if you persistently resist your conscience you can harden your heart and become lost. That's why Paul says "I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:21)

It's not salvation by works...it's salvation by acknowledging you are a sinner when you sin. That's called repentance. If you refuse to repent you are refusing to recognize yourself a sinner in need of Christ's righteousness. That's the issue.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I was not referring to those who commit sexual immorality all the time then realize their sin and repent from it.

I am referring to the millions of born again believers who have accepted Jesus as their savior, knows what the bible say about sexual immorality and fornication, yet still live a life of sexual immorality. Can they who know the truth in scriptures, but still continue to do as they please......if they die in their sins unrepentant, will they go to heaven???

Anyone who dies in sin unrepentant will not go to heaven. Doesn't matter what the sin, though sexual sins seem the most popular these days. All Christians are sinners. I don't know about your church but my Church only buries sinners.

 

[SAAN]

Anyone who dies in sin unrepentant will not go to heaven. Doesn't matter what the sin, though sexual sins seem the most popular these days. All Christians are sinners. I don't know about your church but my Church only buries sinners.

COMMITTING A SIN vs A HABITUAL LIFESTYLE OF SIN

There is a HUGE difference in committing a sin, which we all can do from time to time, but we have the holy spirit to convict us and we repent, turn from those sins and turn the other direction from that vs living a lifestyle of sin.

Examples of committing a sin:
-Stealing, fornication, lies, disrespecting your parents, adultrey, alcoholism...etc

All these sins or any sin, you can ask for forgiveness and repent and turn the other way.

Examples of a habitual lifestyle of sin:
-Homosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but will not repent and openly live a gay lifestyle in the church and say God made them that way and that is how they are going to live.
-Heterosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but have premarital sex as much as or more than unbelievers and could care less.

You can be gay or straight, but if you practice this and make it a lifestyle aka do it over and over and over with no regrets and dont repent and die in your sins, the bible is quiet clear what your fate is.

NO prostitute, homosexual, gay pastor, guy/girl that cheats on the spouse ALL the time, serial killer, rapist, serial bank robber, etc or any other lifestyle that is wicked and is practiced all the time will go to heaven if they die unrepentant in their sins, even if they were saved as a teen, but instead lived a unholy, immoral life as an adult. Jesus will know you by your fruits.

 

[Setyoufree]

Examples of a habitual lifestyle of sin:

-Homosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but will not repent and openly live a gay lifestyle in the church and say God made them that way and that is how they are going to live.

Good point.

-Heterosexual Christians that know what the bible says, but have premarital sex as much as or more than unbelievers and could care less.

A mature believer (not what some call "carnal Christians") cannot condone premarital sex as a lifestyle.

NO prostitute, .....

Yes, but lets be careful. Conviction, like you said, is of the Spirit. The Spirit's first job is to convict of the sin of unbelief & judgment so the unbeliever can go from condemnation to justification.

So from justification to maturity might take sometime. My point?

Go to James 2:26 "You see that a person is justified by works (works of faith, not works of the law) and not by faith alone."

Then James gives another example besides Abraham:

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road?

Here's my point: Rahab believed in God while still a prostitute.

How do we know that she believed?

She saved the Israeli spies from harm and thus put her own life on the line. That's works of faith...

So even though she was living an immoral life, she stood under the umbrella of justification by faith. That is not to say she remained a prostitute. My point is God takes folks were they are at and works on their hearts....Some take more time than others.

 

[tacdon]

I doubt that a Christian could commit sexual sin and not repent. I could see someone struggling with sexual sins and repenting of it.

 

[ShouldaWouldaCoulda]

What do the scriptures tell us?
Before joining this forum I was, and continue to, lurking at an apologetics research ministry and forum. This question was asked there in a manner of speaking. Suffice to say, and since I can't post the link to their page, the answer would be, no.
carm-=dot-=org/can-true-christian-sin

"The one who is born again does not habitually abide in sin."

• 1 John 3:9,
  • "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (NASB)
  • "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." (NKJV)
• 1 John 5:18,
  • "We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touch him." (NASB)
  • "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him." (NKJV)

How could someone who was born again habitually engage in the behavior, be that person, that they were prior to their redemption from that life of death?
It refutes the whole meaning of, 'born again' in the spirit of Christ' .
To be that person who is habitually sexually immoral is to be someone who lied to themselves, faked their motives for seeking redemption, and were not called by the spirit to repent.
They're not a Christian. That baptism was just a quick bath. They're not redeemed when they habitually commit to sexual immoral behaviors. And if they engage in that habit they have no compunction about committing other sinful acts either. What's to stop them when they already are immersed in a fallen lifestyle? Nothing!

Someone who engages in a habitually sexually immoral lifestyle is, by their own actions, showing everyone that they are not Christian. If they call themselves that they are nominal xtians. Falsely donning the name for whatever reason.
They weren't saved because they weren't saved from their former self and the sinful behaviors they engaged in.

Save for God's mercy giving them a break how could they ever hope to see Heaven when they're not following the rules for getting there?

I know some may see this and say No True Christian will be sexually immoral, but I ask this mainly on the fact there is so many sexually immoral Christians out there. Lets be real alot of people in the church are getting it on just as much as non believers. Just about every Christan I know is having sex outside of marriage and some dont care and tell me they are saved, so they are going to heaven anyways. Most virgins seem to cave in by the age of 25.



Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


I know there is always the OSAS debates vs Works dont save you debates as well, but do you truly think a born again Christian that has accepted Jesus as their savior, but they continue to have sex outside of marriage despite what the bible says will happen to those that habitually practice this making it a lifestyle, go to heaven if they have not repented of it?

gl

 

[rockytopva]

2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts...

 

[Honest Al]

Brother Honest Al, reading the passage at face value saint Paul is speaking of himself when he says "I am ..." is he not?

Hi MoreCoffee,
I tried to answer your question. Now I'd like to ask you a question.
In that post of mine that you quoted, (post 216 by me, and post 218 by you), do you see any validity in the argument I made in point #2? Thanks, Al

 

[MoreCoffee]

Hi MoreCoffee,
I tried to answer your question. Now I'd like to ask you a question.
In that post of mine that you quoted, (post 216 by me, and post 218 by you), do you see any validity in the argument I made in point #2? Thanks, Al

It's a fair question to ask when trying to fit Romans 7:14-25 into a wider theological system. When reading the passage at face value it does not help. What I mean is that Romans 7:14-25 is our starting place and after we understand where we started then and only then ought we to go elsewhere to see how other passages can be integrated into it and so form an interpretive matrix that can used to build a theology. It is bad exegesis to start with a theology and then read the passage using that theology as a filter through which the passage is read.

 

[Honest Al]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think you answered my question.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think you answered my question.

Yes, you did miss it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts...

okay .. so if you're old .. i'm sure it still applies . just not as young as i used to be .

 

[Honest Al]

Yes, you did miss it.

I'll try re-wording my question: Do you believe that the apostle Paul was a spiritual man?

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I know some may see this and say No True Christian will be sexually immoral, but I ask this mainly on the fact there is so many sexually immoral Christians out there. Lets be real alot of people in the church are getting it on just as much as non believers. Just about every Christan I know is having sex outside of marriage and some dont care and tell me they are saved, so they are going to heaven anyways. Most virgins seem to cave in by the age of 25.



Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


I know there is always the OSAS debates vs Works dont save you debates as well, but do you truly think a born again Christian that has accepted Jesus as their savior, but they continue to have sex outside of marriage despite what the bible says will happen to those that habitually practice this making it a lifestyle, go to heaven if they have not repented of it?

If we focus on entirely one sin, then we lose sight of those other ones we all commit on a daily basis. In a sense, we're all habitual sinners regardless of our salvation. We just aren't sinning that sin. We tend to forget that there are no sins that are worst than other sins.

Societal laws that govern our countries pervert our view on sin. Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy...and you should view your "necessary evils" and "white lies" as just as severe. I wonder how many folks never ask for forgiveness for their "harmless sins" I know I'm guilty of it.

 

[Honest Al]

Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy...

Do you really believe that?
Also: that belief is not Biblical.
While all sin is bad, there are certainly some sins that are worse in God's sight than others.

 

[SAAN]

If we focus on entirely one sin, then we lose sight of those other ones we all commit on a daily basis. In a sense, we're all habitual sinners regardless of our salvation. We just aren't sinning that sin. We tend to forget that there are no sins that are worst than other sins.

Societal laws that govern our countries pervert our view on sin. Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy...and you should view your "necessary evils" and "white lies" as just as severe. I wonder how many folks never ask for forgiveness for their "harmless sins" I know I'm guilty of it.

This is not merely focusing on one sin, this is address an area that is a huge problem in the church. Remember when you are saved you are supposed to be set apart from the world and an example to them, NOT being just like them or worse in regards to sexual immorality and the bible speaks against it, God and Jesus says its a sin, and those that practice that lifestyle will not go to heaven(assuming they die unrepentant).

Sexual Immorality includes:, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, and bestiality. The 1st 2 are a big problem in the church and homosexuality is starting to become a huge issue as well as more and more churches become gay friendly not to offend, rather than focusing on repentance of that lifestyle.


AND "Telling your kid Santa is real is just as bad as raping a 13 year old boy" are not anywhere near a close comparison as one involves doing something that will scar someone for life even if you say sorry right afterwards, is wicked, and something that would get you stoned in the bible days, compared to a little boy being told Santa isnt real 10 minutes later and he goes on with life.

 

[drjean]

I know some may see this and say No True Christian will be sexually immoral, but I ask this mainly on the fact there is so many sexually immoral Christians out there. Lets be real alot of people in the church are getting it on just as much as non believers. Just about every Christan I know is having sex outside of marriage and some dont care and tell me they are saved, so they are going to heaven anyways. Most virgins seem to cave in by the age of 25.



Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


I know there is always the OSAS debates vs Works dont save you debates as well, but do you truly think a born again Christian that has accepted Jesus as their savior, but they continue to have sex outside of marriage despite what the bible says will happen to those that habitually practice this making it a lifestyle, go to heaven if they have not repented of it?

(The OP above)

No.

When someone accepts Christ, the Holy Spirit indwells them and empowers them to do good. The guilt they will suffer if they succumb to their fleshy habits, and not discipline themselves, will eventually stop them from returning to that sinful display of flesh-mindedness.

This is where the "works" of a Christian come in...between declaring faith and showing the results of that faith. Someone who habitually sins is not a sinless believer covered in the righteousness of Christ.

It's scary imo because 1 in 4 professing "CHRISTIANS" are addicted to pornography. Satan's domain on earth is in a person's mind, remember.
It is not sin to be tempted (indeed even satan tempted Christ). The mind of Christ has power over all evil imaginations....