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Can a child molester be saved?

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Remember, the first great commandment is to love God with all our mind.

And I love people enough to see to it they get the truth.

The issue here is not learned people but exactly what has taken place here. And because of that, I ask that people listen to anyone they choose but read the bible for themselves, and do not depend upon man solely for interpretations that are often so simple a child can understand it.

Men can get puffed up they love to find "deeper truths" that gets them attention, and the next thing you know they can get way out of hand, and interpretations that are completely wrong are introduced, and all because of proud self serving "men".

Sure there are those that we can take to heart what they say, whether they be a scholar or Joe schmo, all I ask is that people be careful, and read/decide for themselves in the end.
 
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And I love people enough to see to it they get the truth.

The issue here is not learned people but exactly what has taken place here. And because of that, I ask that people listen to anyone they choose but read the bible for themselves, and do not depend upon man solely for interpretations that are often so simple a child can understand it.

Men can get puffed up they love to find "deeper truths" that gets them attention, and the next thing you know they can get way out of hand, and interpretations that are completely wrong are introduced, and all because of proud self serving "men".

Sure there are those that we can take to heart what they say, whether they be a scholar or Joe schmo, all I ask is that people be careful, and read/decide for themselves in the end.

Thanks for your concern but I think most of us are big boys and girls and have studied the Scriptures quite well to arrive at where we are at.

Critical scholarship is not designed to be self-serving. It's a peer-reviewed process that tries to be objective, no one person's voice is the final word.
 
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The Bible is unclear on the matter - one moment implying harsh punishment and the next offering possible forgiveness.

The Bible often does both, that's why we recognize a Law-Gospel distinction in Lutheranism.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance

That verse is talking about a little ones relationship with God. An abusive parent who beats up their child or a sex abuser does not necessarily destroy that relationship with God however vile their sins are. So far worse than a child abuser in my view is a teacher who tells children that God does not love them or that they have no future with Him or indeed that God does not exist at all.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
Either everyone can be saved or none can.

If you can’t forgive a child molester, will your Father in Heaven forgive you?
 
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Can a child molester be saved?

Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
MATTHEW.18:1-9 = Who Is the Greatest?
18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Jesus Warns of Offenses
6 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

8 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
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LUKE.23:39-43 =
39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
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No, MATTHEW.18:6 does not say that a child molester cannot be saved (from hell). It only says that an adult who causes a believing child or believer to commit sins will be punished/cursed worsely and severely by God = calamities, sufferings, sickness, horrible death, etc, eg the story of Job, DEUT.28:15, PROV.1:25, 1COR.5:5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16, HEB.10:26.

In comparison, LUKE.23:39-43 says that even a repentant criminal who is awaiting execution may still be saved through belief/faith in Jesus Christ. So, similarly for a false teacher who repents of his sin of causing child-believers to sin(= "Go and sin no more").
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P S - Only those who do not believe in Jesus Christ would have to chop off their limbs and pluck out their eyes in order to be saved from hell fire. Those who believe would not have to do such silly things in order to be saved from hell fire, eg would not have to turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile, lend to all who ask and love their enemies.(MATTHEW.5:17-48)(cf; ROMANS.12:19-21)
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance

I don't find in the Bible where child molestation (vile and wretched it is indeed) is the unforgiveable sin. And Matthew 18:6 is referring to one who is unrepentant of corrupting children.

Do you think that there is acceptable sin before the Holy God?

Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: (10) “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. (11) The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. (12) I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ (13) But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ (14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance

If you live in sin you won't be saved, that goes for a child molester as well. Christians are not to live in sin.

All sins CAN be forgiven, with one exception, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
Saul/Paul cast his vote against Stephen who was stoned to death. Paul was going from house to house arresting Christians without regard to the damage it would do to their little children. Paul repented and suffered beatings, even death for following Christ. A few will repent, but most will not.

Acts 8:3 (ASV - public domain) "But Saul laid waste the church, entering into every house, and dragging men and women committed them to prison."

Acts 12:20 (WEB - public domain) "When the blood of Stephen, your witness, was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting to his death, and guarding the cloaks of those who killed him.'

By the time Paul was a prisoner on the island of Melita, the Holy Spirit was healing people in his presence:

Acts 28 (KJV - public domain)
8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
9 So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed:

Paul repented and was forgiven of what some would not want to forgive.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9–11)
 
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It’s talking about the punishment of one who hurts a child, it doesn’t say sincere repentance is not accepted in that case.

All sins CAN be forgiven, with one exception, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
Is child molestation "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"?

If not, then it is a forgivable sin.

If it is a forgivable sin... then... they can be saved.

In the end, if you or anyone else, reaches a point in their life where they get down on their knees and pour out their heart to Christ and ask for forgiveness and call on His name to cleanse them... Christ will accept them.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance

death =/= second death

Moreover I don't think that it's talking about molesting but telling a child that God does not exist like teachers in schools do .
 
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Can a child molester be saved? The obvious answer would be no.....as the term "molester" would indicate an on-going behavior. One must repent and cease from this behavior....then they would not be considered a molester anymore, and this question would no longer apply to them....then it would be an obvious "yes" to the the question of whether or not one who is Not a molester, can be saved.
 
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I also do not see Matthew 18:6 as talking about actually little children....just like when Jesus states that unless we become as little children, we cannot enter heaven......He was not saying that we have to become physical little children.

We would also have to assume that all children who are molested are caused to stumble away from God. Im sure there are many Christians who were molested that are still going strong in the Lord with great testimonies. So does the milestone argument not apply to their molester, because the molested grew stronger in the Lord?

The letter killeth. I believe these are spiritual sayings and can cause all sorts of unnecessary confusion when taken literally.
 
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Jesus' work on the cross was enough to impart right-standing to anyone that believes. Granted, it would take a real change of heart for a child-molester to convert, Jesus would not reject them. Scripture would even suggest that if such a conversion were to occur that this person may love God more than those of us that have sinned less. Luke 7:47-48 (KJV)
47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
 
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This is a very real issue for me because I was born into and raised in a family of incest. My sister is currently waiting trial for indecency with a minor, and is pleading guilty. I have also been just helping a friend who has been accused, but not yet charged or convicted, of sexually abusing her son.

Just yesterday I was having a conversation about the friend with a pastor who knows her. He told me that regardless of anything, whether true or not, whether she is found guilty or not, she is a person and she is still of worth to God.

I believe that God has forgiveness for people who do these things, and that He desires redemption and healing for them and their victim(s). In our natural states we are all broken, we are all sick, and we are all sinful. I believe in earthly justice when carried out correctly, but I also believe in God's endless grace and love. I believe in His mercy and His desire that none should perish.

I can tell you I have hope and plans to stand in victory next to my sexually abusive father in heaven. There is nothing anyone can say to make me doubt God's love for my father. What he did was bad. It still effects me to this day, but this flesh will pass away and all that will remain is a whole and complete spirit bought by the blood of Jesus.
 
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Based on Matthew 18:6, my opinion is not a chance
Quite apart from the fact that your understanding of this statement is out of context, the passage describes a punishment just as another passage describes the wages of sin as death.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So if the abuser cannot be saved how can any of us be saved?
 
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