Calvinist Robots

[MamaZ]

When we read the scripture about predestination It is of the foreknowldege of God. Not the foreknowledge of our choices. God foreknew who he would predestine..

 

[chestertonrules]

When we read the scripture about predestination It is of the foreknowldege of God. Not the foreknowledge of our choices. God foreknew who he would predestine..

If God made the decision, then it is not actually foreknowledge.

Foreknowledge means knowing what is going to happen, not making something happen.

The bible is very clear about what is required of us.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

If God made the decision, then it is not actually foreknowledge.

Foreknowledge means knowing what is going to happen, not making something happen.

The bible is very clear about what is required of us.

If God knows that an event is going to happen, then it is going to happen exactly as God knows.

Therefore everything that God knows is predestined to happen exactly as He knows it will happen.

Now the question is, is God in control or are you in control?

If you are saved is it because you have chosen to save yourself, or because God has chosen to save you?

And if God is the one who saves you and you get saved, then it is through the process of Monergism that you are saved and not through the process of synergism.

Salvation is of God. If you are not saved, then it is because you are a sinner and you have chosen (in accordance with your sinful nature) to remain a sinner.

If you are saved it is because God has chosen to save you.

 

[jckstraw72]

If you are saved it is because God has chosen to save you.

how does God decide who He is going to save?

 

[drstevej]

how does God decide who He is going to save?

He looks at all our human merit and then discards all of that and chooses whom He will according to His good pleasure.

 

[&Abel]

If God knows that an event is going to happen, then it is going to happen exactly as God knows.

Therefore everything that God knows is predestined to happen exactly as He knows it will happen.

Now the question is, is God in control or are you in control?

If you are saved is it because you have chosen to save yourself, or because God has chosen to save you?

And if God is the one who saves you and you get saved, then it is through the process of Monergism that you are saved and not through the process of synergism.

Salvation is of God. If you are not saved, then it is because you are a sinner and you have chosen (in accordance with your sinful nature) to remain a sinner.

If you are saved it is because God has chosen to save you.

your absolutely right...salvation is all god

but its in our choice to allow him to save us

 

[drstevej]

but its in our choice to allow him to save us

Then it is not all of God. He is constrained by our choice.

 

[&Abel]

Then it is not all of God. He is constrained by our choice.

yes hence sinners burning for eternity

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

but its in our choice to allow him to save us

God needs your permission to save your soul?

That would make God's will subservient to yours.

Do you have a Bible verse that would support that idea?

 

[&Abel]

God needs your permission to save your soul?

That would make God's will subservient to yours.

Do you have a Bible verse that would support that idea?

not if it was his primary will to give you that choice

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

not if it was his primary will to give you that choice

Do you have a Bible verse for that sentiment?

 

[&Abel]

Acts 7

51"You men who are (BT)stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Luke 13

34"(AN)O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, (AO)just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!

 

[drstevej]

Acts 7

51"You men who are (BT)stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Luke 13

34"(AN)O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, (AO)just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!

Simply shows depravity

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Abel I think I saw that quote of scripture earlier... deja vue maybe. ;-)

 

[&Abel]

simply shows choice

 

[&Abel]

Abel I think I saw that quote of scripture earlier... deja vue maybe. ;-)

no you did but I was asked for scripture so I used it

 

[drstevej]

simply shows choice

Choice directed by depravity

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, (The subject here is the rulers, not the children)

thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, (It was the rulers; the pharisees that Jesus was addressing here and not the children)


how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, (Jesus was not discussing gathering the Pharisees under his wings. He was talking about gathering their children so that they could be ministered to by Christ)


and ye would not! (who would not? The Children? No. This is not a verse discussing salvation and choice, it is a verse discussing the condemnation of those who would deny access to Christ to their children by evil rulers)
(Mat 23:37)

The next verse tells what happens to those who would refuse to allow "thy children" to be gathered under the wings of Christ:

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
(Mat 23:38)

Jesus didn't give these guys a choice about their future, did he? He sealed their future right then and there. Jerusalem was going to be destroyed.

Christ will gather HIS children together under his wings. He has been doing it for 2000 years. He doesn't need the permission of the those children to do it. He will do it because it is his will to do it.

 

[Rick Otto]

simply shows choice

Choice shown isn't predestination denied.

 

[&Abel]

Choice shown isn't predestination denied.

I agree