Calvinist Robots

[JacobHall86]

You are ignoring direct quotes from Luther. (I know why!)

None of those are direct quotes. They are at best 2nd source quotes.

And I'm not bound to believe everything Luther taught.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's an excellent thing. Keep learning more fully. (Helpful Hint: start at a point before the 16th century a.d.)

Preferably start at the 1st century and work backward

 

[PETE_]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules

My understanding, correct me if I am wrong.

All men are programmed for sin and therefore Hell according to Calvin.

God picks some lucky underserving souls to shed his grace upon.
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Would you describe God's choice of Mary to be the mother of Jesus as just lucky for her?

 

[squint]

There are good and legitimate questions to put to Calvinism.

One of them is the infamous Total Depravity.

I'm presuming that Calvin holds out that the predestined to hell-Lake are children of the devil, but there is not a single instance in scripture where children of the devil (specifically) are converted or changed into another child.

So correct me if I'm wrong here, but some of the TOTALLY DEPRAVED would appear to also be THE ELECT?

I also brought this up in a recent thread, that we are to call no man common or unclean (Acts 10:28) and calling them totally depraved would seem on the surface to be a violation of that and we are to speak EVIL of NO MAN (Titus 3:2) and it would appear that calling them totally depraved is also calling them EVIL.

None from Calvinism stepped up to the plate on either of these. Tough to hit, I know.

enjoy!

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[squint]

If God knew the Elect as in foreknowledge and forordained/predestined them to salvation, WHY then did God make them made totally depraved?

Calvinists seem to want to give God Divine Sovereignty over the predestined on the good side of the equation, but doesn't seem to want to implicate God for any reason on the bad side of the equation, although I have engaged Calvinists who state that God made the wicked only to burn them alive and they sometimes cite this scripture:

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[PETE_]

Acts 10:28 had to do with ceremonial law, not calling someoe evil

 

[squint]

Acts 10:28 had to do with ceremonial law, not calling someoe evil

What makes you think it's just the ceremonial portion?

Sin is transgression of the Law, not just the ceremonial portions.

 

[Celticflower]

If some are predestined for heaven and some for hell, why do we even need the church, the Bible, to study, to try to be righteous? Sounds like your fate is sealed no matter what you do, and even if you are convinced that you truly believe but are not one of the elect you are doomed anyway. You just won't know until it happens.

What ever happened to "that whoever believes in me shall not perish but have everlasting life?"

 

[Celticflower]

scratch: How did the post I made at a little before 6pm this evening end up as the 5th post sometime this morning????)

 

[PETE_]

scratch: How did the post I made at a little before 6pm this evening end up as the 5th post sometime this morning????)

the forum is having time stamp issues again. The internal clock gets messed up and posts it in order of time but that clock is saying your current time is in the past.....Time travel

 

[Celticflower]

the forum is having time stamp issues again. The internal clock gets messed up and posts it in order of time but that clock is saying your current time is in the past.....Time travel

Without a TARDIS????? Will wonders never cease.

 

[PETE_]

What makes you think it's just the ceremonial portion?

Sin is transgression of the Law, not just the ceremonial portions.

The whole context of Peter's vision was showing him tha it was no longer taboo for him to associate with those that were not clean

 

[PETE_]

If some are predestined for heaven and some for hell, why do we even need the church, the Bible, to study, to try to be righteous? Sounds like your fate is sealed no matter what you do, and even if you are convinced that you truly believe but are not one of the elect you are doomed anyway. You just won't know until it happens.

What ever happened to "that whoever believes in me shall not perish but have everlasting life?"

This is true, if you believe, you are amoung the elect

 

[MamaZ]

Well Blessed is more of the word than lucky..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is true, if you believe, you are amoung the elect

Whew! That is good to hear

Matt 24:22 And if no was shortened the days, those, not ever was saved all flesh. Because of yet the elect-chosen/eklektouV <1588>, shall be being shortened the days, those.

 

[MamaZ]

That's an excellent thing. Keep learning more fully. (Helpful Hint: start at a point before the 16th century a.d.)

It is more than learning. IT is called relationship with my Father. For He speaks to me through His word all the time..

 

[Chesterton]

Preferably start at the 1st century and work backward

There ya go.

 

[chestertonrules]

None of those are direct quotes. They are at best 2nd source quotes.

And I'm not bound to believe everything Luther taught.

I provided multiple direct quotes from Luther.

Yes, you are not bound by Luther's errors.

Don't repeat them either!


Jesus started a Church. Do you reject or accept it?

 

[chestertonrules]

Would you describe God's choice of Mary to be the mother of Jesus as just lucky for her?

Yes and no. It was a bitter pill.

However, she is with Jesus and was fortunate to be chosen.

Why do you think she was chosen?

 

[chestertonrules]

I do not believe in interpretation of the scriptures. I believe in understanding the scriptures.. I am still learning from scripture.. Everyday I learn something quite awesome in them. God speaks to His Children through His scriptures. We do not need a middle man in between us and our Fathers word. For the Holy Spirit whom we are sealed with is our teacher not man..

Come on!

However, if you insist I will repeat my question.

What makes you think your understanding of scripture is infallible?