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chestertonrules

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Predetermed is that this will happen. Programmed is we have no voice of our own or moves of our own or mind of our own but what is programmed in us. We even those of us in Christ still have a voice of our own. We still can move on our own, God is not up there pushing buttons for me to like brown or green. He does not push a button to have me speak. He just predtermined that I was His before I was born..


I believe our destiny is predetermined, not programmed or predestined in the Calvinist sense.

You believe that you were programmed for Heaven, while others were programmed for Hell.
 
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Yes, we see where God has predestined some to fulfill a specific purpose of His.
It is ours to accept or reject. It is ours to do or die.
Not really, For if one has not been chosen before the foundation of the world one cannot accept salvation..
Some of what man wills is sinful. Not all.
Men are sinful from the very core.. :) Sin dwells in man. No man ever needs to be trained how to sin. It is just comes natural..

I still desire to sin. If I did not desire to sin, I would not sin, since there is no one forcing me to sin against my will.

I don't have the desire to sin.. But sometimes out of my mouth comes sin at its best.. Some times I react before I think .. Then immediatly I know I have sinned and go to My Father in prayer and ask Him to forgive me and to cleanse me from this awful unrighteousness..


Robots are not programed in all things either. Since when do robots have color preferences?
Exactly our point. :) Since when do robots have color preferences..Can a robot do anything that has not been programmed into it?
 
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I believe our destiny is predetermined, not programmed or predestined in the Calvinist sense.

You believe that you were programmed for Heaven, while others were programmed for Hell.
Predetermined is indeed predestined. You have no idea what I believe.. LOL. For you do not take the time to study predestination with the scriptures. Is a Catholic able to stand on their own revealtions in scripture? Or are they programmed into believing that it is only through certain men that the scriptures can be understood and that scripture has to be read through tradition and interpretation of the CC?
 
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Works Based Salvation ladies and gentlemen.


All of what man wills is sinful, In fact its like used tampons.




Your will is enslaved to sin.


Thats a dumb argument.

Catch you later, kid. Got to go get some food in the house for the weekend.
 
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Predetermined is indeed predestined. You have no idea what I believe.. LOL. For you do not take the time to study predestination with the scriptures. Is a Catholic able to stand on their own revealtions in scripture? Or are they programmed into believing that it is only through certain men that the scriptures can be understood and that scripture has to be read through tradition and interpretation of the CC?


I converted to Catholicism because it is the only Church that takes the scriptures as the word of God.

You believe that you were programmed for heaven while others were programmed for hell.

For some reason, you are ashamed of your beliefs.
 
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I converted to Catholicism because it is the only Church that takes the scriptures as the word of God.

You believe that you were programmed for heaven while others were programmed for hell.

For some reason, you are ashamed of your beliefs.

Lols at the bolded. Justification by Faith alone is in scripture, but the RCC doesn't hold to it.


Its called Double-Predestination, and I believe in it.
 
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LLOJ subscribes...........
Originally Posted by chestertonrules I converted to Catholicism because it is the only Church that takes the scriptures as the word of God.
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Lols at the bolded. Justification by Faith alone is in scripture, but the RCC doesn't hold to it.


Its called Double-Predestination, and I believe in it.


I'll provide some scripture that I believe, but that you will ignore or distort because of your man made dogma:

John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

John 20
22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Matthew 18
17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Matt 16
18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;
 
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Matthew 18
17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Matt 16
18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;
I knew Peter would eventually show up ^_^
 
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I knew Peter would eventually show up ^_^


It is inevitable!

Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and the rest of apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also always listed first except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9.
 
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Dude, the reformation happened because the Catholic church ignored the Bible. When Luther was debating the Catholics he pleaded with them to use the Bible and not some edict of some council.


I think you are confusing the Catholic Church with martin luther:


[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Although Martin Luther stated that he looked upon the Bible "as if God Himself spoke therein" he also stated, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]My word is the word of Christ; my mouth is the mouth of Christ" (O'Hare PF. The Facts About Luther, 1916--1987 reprint ed., pp. 203-204). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther Added to the Book of Romans[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Bible, in Romans 3:28, states, [/FONT]​
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. [/FONT]​
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther, in his German translation of the Bible, specifically added the word "allein" (English 'alone') to Romans 3:28-a word that is not in the original Greek. Notice what Protestant scholars have admitted:[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]...Martin Luther would once again emphasize...that we are "justified by faith alone", apart from the works of the Law" (Rom. 3:28), adding the German word allein ("alone") in his translation of the Greek text. There is certainly a trace of Marcion in Luther's move (Brown HOJ. Heresies: Heresy and Orthodoxy in the History of the Church. Hendrickson Publishers, Peabody (MA), 1988, pp. 64-65).[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Furthermore, Martin Luther himself reportedly said, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This passage strongly suggests that Martin Luther viewed his opinions, and not the actual Bible as the primary authority--a concept which this author will name prima Luther. By "papists" he is condemning Roman Catholics, but is needs to be understood that Protestant scholars (like HOJ Brown) also realize that Martin Luther changed that scripture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]A second rallying cry for followers of Martin Luther was the expression sola fide (faith alone). But it appears that Martin Luther may have intentionally mistranslated Romans 3:28 for the pretence of supposedly having supposed scriptural justification for his sola fide doctrine. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]He also made another change in Romans. Romans 4:15 states, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]...because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Yet in his German translation, Martin Luther added the word 'only' before the term 'wrath' to Romans 4:15 (O'Hare, p. 201). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This presumably was to attempt to justify his position to discredit the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther Made At Least Two Other Intentional Mistranslations [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther has also been charged with intentionally mistranslating Matthew 3:2, Acts 19:18, and many other scriptures (ibid, p. 200). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Matthew 3:2 states, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!". [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther, in his German translation, changed the word 'repent' to 'mend' or 'do better' (ibid, p. 201), presumably to justify his position that one does not need to obey God's laws through repentance. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther, for example, taught, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Be a sinner, and sin boldly, but believe more boldly still. Sin shall not drag us away from Him, even should we commit fornication or murder thousands and thousands of times a day (Luther, M. Letter of August 1, 1521 as quoted in Stoddard, p.93). [/FONT]
He seemed to overlook what the Book of Hebrews taught:
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries (Hebrews 10:26-27).
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Bible, in Acts 19:18, states, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds..."[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Y[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]et Martin Luther rendered it, "they acknowledged the miracles of the Apostles" (O'Hare, p. 201). [/FONT]
There are several possible reasons why Martin Luther intentionally mistranslated Acts 19:18, but the point on this article is to show that he did.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther Preferred to Change John 1:14 [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther also taught, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]And John 1 says: "The Word was made flesh," when in our judgment it would have been better said, "The Word was incarnate," or "made fleshly" (Disputation On the Divinity and Humanity of Christ February 27, 1540 conducted by Dr. Martin Luther, 1483-1546 translated from the Latin text WA 39/2, pp. 92-121 by Christopher B. Brown). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This was apparently done to justify his belief that Jesus was fully God and fully human while on the earth. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]As Martin Luther correctly pointed out, John 1:14 states that "the Word was made flesh", yet John 1:14, combined with Philippians 2:6-7 show that Jesus 'emptied Himself' (the proper Greek translation; see Green JP. Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, 3rd ed., 1996, p. 607) of His divinity while on the earth. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]If not, He could not have been tempted as we are, which He was, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin" Hebrews 4:15-16). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This is discussed more in the article on Binitarianism. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin Luther Stated Jesus Meant the Opposite of What He Said [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Bible, in Luke 10:28, states, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live" (KJV). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Yet Martin Luther taught, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]To do means to believe-to keep the law by faith. The passage in Matthew: Do this and thou shalt live, signifies Believe this and thou shalt live. The words Do this, have ironical sense, as if our Lord should say: Thou wilt do it tomorrow, but not today; only make an attempt to keep the Commandments, and the trial will teach thee the ignominy of thy failure (O'Hare, p.205). [/FONT]
Although Martin Luther mentioned Matthew's account (which is in Matthew 19:16-21), the quote in question is actually from Luke 10:28. It is because of such misinterpretations of what the Bible states that many Protestants have tossed out the necessity to keep the ten commandments, even though scholars agree that they were kept by the early Christians (please see the article The Ten Commandments and the Early Church).
Martin Luther's comments clearly suggest that he felt that Jesus meant the opposite of what He said in Matthew 19:16,
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments". [/FONT]
http://www.cogwriter.com/salvation.htm

http://www.cogwriter.com/luther.htm
 
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Dude, thats not a credible source. His name is COGWriter. The COG means Church of God, as in Worldwide Church of God. That church teaches liberation theology and other heresies. He paints catholics and protestants as evil on both sides. Not credible.
 
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Dude, thats not a credible source. His name is COGWriter. The COG means Church of God, as in Worldwide Church of God. That church teaches liberation theology and other heresies. He paints catholics and protestants as evil on both sides. Not credible.


The quotes are referenced. You can find them in thousands of places. This just happened to be a good summary.

Feel free to prove them wrong.;)
 
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